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Someone please explain the DIBS system here in the Classifieds/m2m (1 Viewer)
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ekricket
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New classifieds rules apparently. You have to check some boxes now.
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Sliding scale feedback is definitely needed. I screwed up, I definitely shouldn't have a 97% positive rating. Hell, no one could care less anyways, I reg get offers for old ads while trying to catch up on current stuff.
But noone is comfortable leaving negative feedback. I've been screwed over time and time again by our solid, long term chippers (and this doesn't include the vultures who prey on new members). I've waited over half a year for chips. I've been sold near mint $500 racks that were very warped. But what are you gonna do? Ask the man for your money back? Leave negative feedback when they would probably fix it if you just ask? The answers for those *should* be yes. You *should* have an option for negative feedback that isn't seen as a horrible betrayal just for being put in that position.
Folks who are friends of mine *should* be able to leave negative feedback that isn't detrimental or a betrayal if I put them in a bad position.
If I create a sales ad, and clearly state "Post in thread first, PMs will not act as dibs", and buyers come in afterwards trying to buy via PM, that seller *should* be able to leave some feedback, so that people have a clear consensus of who they're working with.
But noone is comfortable leaving negative feedback. I've been screwed over time and time again by our solid, long term chippers (and this doesn't include the vultures who prey on new members). I've waited over half a year for chips. I've been sold near mint $500 racks that were very warped. But what are you gonna do? Ask the man for your money back? Leave negative feedback when they would probably fix it if you just ask? The answers for those *should* be yes. You *should* have an option for negative feedback that isn't seen as a horrible betrayal just for being put in that position.
Folks who are friends of mine *should* be able to leave negative feedback that isn't detrimental or a betrayal if I put them in a bad position.
If I create a sales ad, and clearly state "Post in thread first, PMs will not act as dibs", and buyers come in afterwards trying to buy via PM, that seller *should* be able to leave some feedback, so that people have a clear consensus of who they're working with.
Darthhoodie
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Well this one time this little boy said he had chips to sell me, I said how much will it cost me? He said two quarters and three dollars.
And that's my explanation of dibs. Any questions?
And that's my explanation of dibs. Any questions?
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Please stop these inflammatory remarks Josh, we need you round these parts more than ever.
I don't have a clue.... but that's somewhat normal for me.
That's tree-fiddy! The go-to amount that should be accepted for anything here, anytime.
CrazyEddie
Full House
I just gotta say that if you tried to argue that when Bob posted a classified ad in his local newspaper saying "Used Honda Civic for sale, $1000" that
Somehow PCF sales ads are different, though. Maybe the section should be renamed from "Classifieds", since they don't seem to work like any other classified ads in any other advertising venue, anywhere, ever.
- Bob was obligated to sell the car for $1000
- Bob was obligated to sell the car to the first person who contacted him
- Bob was forbidden from considering offers for either more or less than $1000
- Bob was forbidden from considering offers that weren't publicly announced
Somehow PCF sales ads are different, though. Maybe the section should be renamed from "Classifieds", since they don't seem to work like any other classified ads in any other advertising venue, anywhere, ever.
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
Dibs!
Eloe2000
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The obvious difference is that this is a community. So there is/was a perception among some that they are operating under something other than a completely unrestrained competitive market framework. We already have eBay for that. But most importantly, if people all operated by the same guidelines there would be less tension regardless of whatever those guidelines are.
Because some people see this place more as a community. If someone wants to take the highest bid, we have a means to do that. But if everyone starts posting ads and taking the highest offer in PM, there is no transparency and it'll cause even more drama (as we've seen). That example might work in broad strokes, but ya do that in a small town of 500 and the people will talk shit and you won't get the free slice of pie from the one diner on the corner (been in small towns of 500)..
We have methods to sell any way you really want, but you should follow those methods rather then just wing it. If they don't use them, fine.... But don't expect the mass to not gripe. As much as they have a right to do what they want, so do the people with the pitchforks. One action causes a reaction. Or we can just sell by price in the classifieds or auctions and have no pitchforks.
CrazyEddie
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Why and how would that change people's expectations about how people wanting to buy and sell objects should do so?
Eloe2000
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This is a great analogy.
Look back at the first 4+ years of this community (or many more at TCB) and see.
Nothing is worse then not being invited to the winter party at the elks club because no one likes your selling methods in the local thrifty nickel....
The right and ability to do something is completely different then having grace and being a stand up seller. That's saying the dealers who sell Lemons are within there rights. They are, doesn't make them not assholes for doing it. (Not calling anyone an asshole, just explaining)
CrazyEddie
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Those methods appear to be "form relationships with long-time members, and transact deals with them secretly".
Which is fine! But it's a terrible way to treat newcomers to the hobby. It would be a lot easier for newcomers to join those secret networks if they could see and respond to "make me an offer" posts and make such posts of their own.
Tarheel4Life
3 of a Kind
Is it, though? Doesn’t sound like it based on the shenanigans with dibs, hence the entire system is broken.
I think your overestimating "the secret network."
Older members will sell to members who know they are looking. But I don't rank them by seniority. If a newer member has PMed me looking for something and I find it. I sell to them. It's nothing big, I just want the sale to take 5 minutes rather then take 2-3 days and answer 20 questions. But that's the advantage of doing WTBs and PMing people in the market. I get PMs about solids 2-3 times a week (including today).
Yup...PCF is different than eBay. Pretty simple.
And this is the issue with the newer members here apparently (and a few veterans I guess too to be fair). The main purpose of this place is not the Classifieds. We are here to enjoy the chipping hobby and Tommy allows us to sell/trade/whatever. Deal with it as spelled out in the rules or move along. Simple.
And by the way, I barely sell/buy anything via pm as I am not in any cool circles fyi.
Eloe2000
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People do things for each other here. They post details about how to mill or murder chips. Cleaning tips. How to create artwork. How to build sets. Design suggestions. Giveaways. Tutorials. Point each other to chips they are looking for. Connect people with matching needs/desires. Anyone reading this thread right now is participating in the community. People are here to enjoy their hobby and help each other out. However they feel about that, it is the truth.
If I am spending my time and effort to help people with artwork and run a cards mold group buy for example and then someone goes behind my back after I agree publicly to commit to a purchase so that they can outbid me when I have agreed to some terms then yeah I think that is wrong. And I am just curious how many of those people claiming the classifieds are a free and open market without any standards or principals are also reaping the benefits of the community?
Eloe2000
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Then wtf am I doing running group buys, designing sets for people, helping them find chips they are looking, reshipping for international people to save them money, etc. It sure isn't to make a profit, because if it is I am definitely doing this wrong.
I'd just like to say I really dig your Casa Mango artwork.
CrazyEddie
Full House
What can be more transparent than this:
"I'm selling this rack of chips, make me an offer."
[time passes]
"Okay, thanks everyone, I got an offer I like and these are now sold."
What more details do you think you need? What business is it of anyone else's besides the seller and the buyer who the buyer was and what the offer was? If this is what "community" means it doesn't sound like a very healthy community, one where everyone insists on knowing all about everyone else's relationships and transactions. I'd have thought that a mutual appreciation of a niche hobby and a general goodwill towards other hobbyists would be more than sufficient to build a community around.
Why do I do giveaways every month that I pay for? And have given out 800+ bucks of free milling for zero reason..... Sonofa!
Before criticizing it, take some time to try and understand how/why it worked that way and why it worked so well and for so long.
Because how do you know what your rack is worth? Feeling? Looking at a 1998 Beckett Chip edition? We are the market. Each sale is the information that guides what things are worth.
Your method is actually promoting a underground chip network, and that in itself would ruin any chances for new members.
Eloe2000
Straight Flush
Thanks for the kind words! I have terrible taste but I like the way this one came out! CheersI'd just like to say I really dig your Casa Mango artwork.
ChipFinderSK
Full House
You also forgot (soon to be) thousands of dollars worth of crypto
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