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Gunnar said:
As a part of European photographers union, former information and data expert working with EFTA, ESA and EU and current digital forensics and cybersecurity expert for Companies and Government Agencies.

I can promise you if I find one picture from myself on Chipguide. I will teach you copyright laws
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On another note....please mail me some Pylsur....
 
The outrage is a bit much. I’ve used Chipguide so much over the years, they’ve earned goodwill from me at the very least, even if they’re ranting on shakey legal grounds
Also I’ll say it again, I’m not sure “fair use” means what so many people think it means. My lay opinion says that posting Chipguide images here might be fair use, but I’m really not sure. But whether or not it is, their cumulative effect could possibly be a problem for @Tommy at some point. I dunno, I’m just thinking out loud. But those images probably are copyrighted, so instead of acting like petulant kids because we don’t like Chipguide’s attitude, why not just have the conversation?
 
upNdown said:
The outrage is a bit much. I’ve used Chipguide so much over the years, they’ve earned goodwill from me at the very least, even if they’re ranting on shakey legal grounds
Also I’ll say it again, I’m not sure “fair use” means what so many people think it means. My lay opinion says that posting Chipguide images here might be fair use, but I’m really not sure. But whether or not it is, their cumulative effect could possibly be a problem for @Tommy at some point. I dunno, I’m just thinking out loud. But those images probably are copyrighted, so instead of acting like petulant kids because we don’t like Chipguide’s attitude, why not just have the conversation?
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So NOW you're not angry?
 
RagahRagah said:
Reading through this thread and seeing you of all people lecture someone on common courtesy (and being a "self-centered asshole") was the funniest thing I have seen all week; funnier than this thread itself. Common courtesy is something you know absolutely nothing about. This is like watching Harvey Weinstein lecture someone on sexual harassment.

You have zero self-awareness and are literally one of the last people on earth who should be speaking about "common courtesy" after what you pulled with me, accuracy on this issue not withstanding. You are quite the projectionist.

I laughed at this thread the same as everyone else, but many posters were able to explain things like adults without resorting to childlike behavior. The constant rabid hypocrisy you flash around here is not a good look.
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But sooooo true.
 
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leo822 said:
@ChipGuide If someone is not happy with the direction of Chipguide and how their images are being handled who do they contact to have their images returned? Seems to me since the policy "add on" at the end of the submission form was never signed and not legally enforceable I should be able to re-claim my photos?
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@leo822
I remember us having a discussion at one point regarding the purpose of the "guide", does the website have any correlation to stating the value of chips or making statements to affect the value of a chip? I seem to remember this "statement" on a couple chips there but it being a bit different speaking of a "HOARD ALERT" and included pictures that were from a Private Message on PCF with no credit given, the statement seems to have been changed and the picture removed. Just curious if the ChipGuide claims to be a proclaimer of chips monetary value as I've never seen "Hoard Warnings" on any other chips there. I thought it was an image reference guide vs. a value guide.

Maybe this is off the topic of image ownership..... Sorry if it is. But more to the point, how many other image's have been liberated from places like PCF and other sites that "Slipped by" the " stringent image policies of said guide?

But hey, say there is a hoard found, Not sure that less than a rack is a hoard, does that really affect the value? if one person owns them all it would seem a choice is iminent, buy or don't buy? I know personally that pictures of some of my chips were liberated from here, either from public posts or PM's and even from eBay, altered and put up on chip guide by certain individuals.

Disclosure: Yes the "Hoard Found" was by me, no attempt to hide it.

Clip from The Chip Guide:
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Yet no "Hoard Warning" here, or racks sold notification, perplexing business practices at best.
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Even knowing on the mapes that 100's came to the chip world they still sell for hundreds each.
 
Danny. I literally posted about this very issue on my own thread. Care to cross post?

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Also not sure, but I know there is a couple people that are swearing by the new AI crap. Heres its opinion. (Hope I got the pronoun right, NOT)
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Anyway, the leagleze regarding the facts seems moot as it would seem there is no requirement to cite ChipGuide, but certainly the demands by their representatives' seems to always come with an overbearing tone and I have to agree that a polite request would go a bit further if simply trying to gain exposure to the guide. I have been "warned" on occasion when sharing a ChipGuide photo with no cite or "credit for the image given"
 
The question is if that little unsigned rider at the end of the submission form is binding or even relevant.
 
leo822 said:
The question is if that little unsigned rider at the end of the submission form is binding or even relevant.
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I doubt it. I also believe the handling of the "requests" to cite the guide is rude and overbearing, I believe i'm not alone in that opinion..
More flies with honey than salt.
 
RivieraDanny said:
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@leo822
I remember us having a discussion at one point regarding the purpose of the "guide", does the website have any correlation to stating the value of chips or making statements to affect the value of a chip? I seem to remember this "statement" on a couple chips there but it being a bit different speaking of a "HOARD ALERT" and included pictures that were from a Private Message on PCF with no credit given, the statement seems to have been changed and the picture removed. Just curious if the ChipGuide claims to be a proclaimer of chips monetary value as I've never seen "Hoard Warnings" on any other chips there. I thought it was an image reference guide vs. a value guide.

Maybe this is off the topic of image ownership..... Sorry if it is. But more to the point, how many other image's have been liberated from places like PCF and other sites that "Slipped by" the " stringent image policies of said guide?

But hey, say there is a hoard found, Not sure that less than a rack is a hoard, does that really affect the value? if one person owns them all it would seem a choice is iminent, buy or don't buy? I know personally that pictures of some of my chips were liberated from here, either from public posts or PM's and even from eBay, altered and put up on chip guide by certain individuals.

Disclosure: Yes the "Hoard Found" was by me, no attempt to hide it.

Clip from The Chip Guide:
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Yet no "Hoard Warning" here, or racks sold notification, perplexing business practices at best.
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Even knowing on the mapes that 100's came to the chip world they still sell for hundreds each.
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The ChipGuide does not provide values, we only report information as provided to us. Hoards definitely effect chip value, value is determined by supply and demand. The greater the supply, the less the value.
 
ChipGuide said:
The ChipGuide does not provide values, we only report information as provided to us. Hoards definitely effect chip value, value is determined by supply and demand. The greater the supply, the less the value.
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So then you DO consider the Chip Guide a provider of chip value or YOU DO NOT? Seems this statement claims both.

Again i see nothing on the Mapes or any other chips.....


Yet no "Hoard Warning" here, or racks sold notification, perplexing business practices at best.
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Even knowing on the mapes that 100's came to the chip world they still sell for hundreds each.
 
RivieraDanny said:
I believe @David Spragg is the president of the CCA still, yes? and that Chip Guide is under the preview of the CCA? Maybe he can offer some insight on this whole issue? Have you reached out to him @leo822

I wonder who the individual is under the handle here of @ChipGuide ? Is that user authorized to represent them here? Just wondering because I don't know the hierarchy of the CCA, I joined because I thought it was a worthwhile thing for chipping, but as with every "Club" of human beings drama and opposing ideas usually cause "Problems". I seem to remember someone named Charles Kaplan reaching out to folks, myself included, with some less than polite requests to "Always cite the ChipGuide" when using "Our Pictures". but not sure if he is still involved.
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For transparency I Posted this in your other thread @leo822
 
@ChipGuide may I please ask who you are behind the handle? and to know who's authorization you have to represent The Chip guide? Thank you!

PS I love the CG it is useful.
 
...so how does that happen? Seems to me someone on the Chip Guide staff must have made the entry since there was no submission form or authorization from the original poster (me). :unsure:
 
BGinGA said:
Owner permission is not required for Fair Use of images, and using copyrighted images under Fair Use is not a copyright violation. Any suggestion otherwise (or latent threats of bills, fines, or law suits) for Fair Use of copyrighted images is simply ridiculous and exhibits a lack of understanding of copyright law.

Furthermore, no "deal to allow PCF members to use ChipGuide images" is necessary whatsoever, since those members are not even required to obtain permission for using the images under the Fair Use provisions of copyright law.

Lastly, the "donated" chip images displayed on ChipGuide do not belong to the ChipGuide, but rather still belong to the original image creators who legally retain their copyright regardless of any changes made by ChipGuide to their images. The idea that altering the images somehow grants copyright protection to the ChipGuide is simply false.
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djmarc said:
FWIW I have posted pictured of chips at The Chip Board and they have shown up on the Chip Guide with no credit.

Most recently the Park MGM $1 hotstamp.

Here is my Chip Board post-

http://www.thechipboard.com/index.cgi/md/read/id/1707611/sbj/nr-park-mgm-1-hotstamp/

Here is the Chip Guide entry using the rightmost chip from my picture with no credit.

http://chipguide.themogh.org/cg_chip2.php?id=NVLU81&v=1832011500

http://chipguide.themogh.org/cg_showpic2.php?cg=301691

I know there are others.
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Same with some high-end chips on eBay. They show up in an auction and somehow they show up on the Chip Guide with no credit. I actually messaged one of the auction owners and he said he did not give any permission to use his images. I have found out that for Nevada submissions, sometimes it takes weeks for submissions to be posted to the Chip Guide, which I assume is because the volume or backlog of images to be posted, however with these eBay or chip board images are posted within a couple of days. :unsure:

Although I am a huge fan of the Chip Guide and its an amazing resource and important to the hobby, the above practice of "stealing" of images as referred to above is just in bad form and works directly against the message the @ChipGuide is trying to get people to do around giving credit for use of images. Just disappointing really.
 

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