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Controversial Chip & Poker Opinions (13 Viewers)

joeyshin said:
while its "amateurish" the only real shuffle is a wash
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And for a lot longer than you think. I think I've seen 30 seconds recommended. Though "they" also recommend 1-2 minutes for a new deck and I've never once seen a dealer wash a deck for that long after suiting it up. But then again, casinos are more interested in speed than anything else. I digress.
 
upNdown said:
And for a lot longer than you think. I think I've seen 30 seconds recommended. Though "they" also recommend 1-2 minutes for a new deck and I've never once seen a dealer wash a deck for that long after suiting it up. But then again, casinos are more interested in speed than anything else. I digress.
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my machine takes 45 mins for a full load cycle. then i have to dry them on low heat for 30 mins with fabric softener. it makes for a very slow game...but at least no bad beats **sarcasm** Lol
 
Ben8257 said:
Well... this one definitely "hit the nail on the head" of controversial

I doubt in our nearly 10k member pool that you find 3 people that would agree.

I say this loud and proud every single day 8/8/6/6 SUCKS!!!

but by your statement I believe you are trying to say that in a t10k tourney you would actually prefer... 4/4/1/4/1! Go ahead and run that one time and report back on how the game went please! That is indeed the minimum for a T25 based game.

Or are you one of those "too cool for tournament" guys... for cash the equivalent would be.
(4) $.25/ (4) $1/ (4) $5/ (3) $25..

Go ahead and run either of those and let us know how awesome your game was!

Tried, tested and true! The perfect starting stack is 12/12/5/6 for a 10k tourney.

12/17/16 is the perfect starting stack for a $.25/$.50 game.
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Honestly I’m not even following you and don’t really care about tournament poker. Cash poker is king anyway ;)

We used to hold 7-8 30-40 person tournaments every year from 2002-2008. I haven’t run one since. We used to give a 20 chip starting stack out and they ran great. The tournaments I play in (when I do) are usually in Atlantic City and an occasion home game. Back then the casino starting stacks weren’t much bigger. Many of your players were casino players and no one had any issues with the amount of chips in play. If we have ten players at the table and it’s a bit cramped, I give out greens for reloads to keep down the clutter.

I play 95% cash poker. More than three denominations on the table makes banking a chore. If we are playing $1/2 I only use white and red but would have the most total chips on the table for that game. When people reload I give them the highest denomination in play for the least amount of chips.

It’s not about “too cool for school” it’s about efficiency and practicality. But I understand if you collect chips you want to use them. I don’t look at chips that way. I want nice chips because they add to the experience…but I don’t want pointless amounts of chips just for the hell of it.
 
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joeyshin said:
while its "amateurish" the only real shuffle is a wash
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A wash is not “amateurish” …it is a good practice and very professional. In AC before the casinos had shufflers (or currently at some tournaments) the dealers always start with a wash, collect the cards, and finish with a riffle, riffle, strip, riffle, cut and deal. The wash is pretty quick. Many used to start by smearing the deck in a Z pattern then mixing them. No more than 5-10 seconds max on that part…on the quicker side if they don’t fumble with collecting the cards. They would usually use one card to get under the pile and always collect the deck with the faces toward the players.

At home I usually don’t wash but instead add an extra strip and riffle. Someone here posted to a shuffling effectiveness experiment which made feel that was sufficient for a home game
 
Old State said:
A wash is not “amateurish” …it is a good practice and very professional. In AC before the casinos had shufflers (or currently at some tournaments) the dealers always start with a wash, collect the cards, and finish with a riffle, riffle, strip, riffle, cut and deal. The wash is pretty quick. Many used to start by smearing the deck in a Z pattern then mixing them. No more than 5-10 seconds max on that part…on the quicker side if they don’t fumble with collecting the cards. They would usually use one card to get under the pile and always collect the deck with the faces toward the players.

At home I usually don’t wash but instead add an extra strip and riffle. Someone here posted to a shuffling effectiveness experiment which made feel that was sufficient for a home game
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i put it in quotes because it looks like you dont knwo how to shuffle, but i usually do a wash then few ripples and boxes..
 
krafticus said:
The point of the bridge shuffle is to bend the paper cards back into the original form. If you only shuffle paper cards one way, they quickly warp and bend. Bridge shuffling them reverses the shuffle bend, prolonging the life of the cards. This is for games in which you aren’t peeking at corners and such, and bending them in ways they shouldn’t be bent.
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But you wouldn’t be using paper cards …right??:oops:
CrazyEddie said:
What do you mean by this? Could you provide examples?
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Most of the chips for sale. If the chip has a name of a casino or club that never existed on the label, it’s a fantasy chip.

I wish there were more chip companies that made high end but non descript chips. Paulson Noirs are the best example of these IMO. I’d own a lot more chips if that was the case. Right now I just own two custom sets and a set of Scrolls for a travel set.
 
Old State said:
Most of the chips for sale. If the chip has a name of a casino or club that never existed on the label, it’s a fantasy chip.
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You said "Fantasy chip themes are lame" - I'm curious, do you consider custom chips for someone's home game ("Bob's Card Room" or "The Snake-Eyes Saloon" e.g.) a fantasy chip, and lame? Just trying to understand what about the chips makes them lame in your opinion, and why that doesn't apply to real casino chips.
 
ekricket said:
Imho any shuffle where you use your thumbs to riffle the cards can potentially damage the cards from overpressure.
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Yes, this, 100%

This is totally the reason why I perform most shuffles using only the big toe from my right foot and my penis.

Yeah, I know, controversial. Let me answer your next 4 questions.

1) No, nobody lets me deal.
2) Yes, it really is that big. Same on the other foot.
3) No, I am not Gumby. He didn’t have a penis - or working knees.
4) Yes, stiffness is key. You can’t do this with soft Desjgns, for example
 
Old State said:
I wish there were more chip companies that made high end but non descript chips. Paulson Noirs are the best example of these IMO. I’d own a lot more chips if that was the case.
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I'm in full agreement with you here. I prefer designs that don't refer to casinos and card rooms, whether real or imaginary. I like Starbursts, and I liked Noirs for a while until I fell out of love with their spot patterns. I want a set of Inplays someday, and dream of a set of Starlites. My two custom label sets so far have themes, but their themes are completely unrelated to casinos or card rooms.

Our opinions are firmly in the minority, I do believe. I made a somewhat related post here.
 
CrazyEddie said:
You said "Fantasy chip themes are lame" - I'm curious, do you consider custom chips for someone's home game ("Bob's Card Room" or "The Snake-Eyes Saloon" e.g.) a fantasy chip, and lame? Just trying to understand what about the chips makes them lame in your opinion, and why that doesn't apply to real casino chips.
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this should help you understand... ;)
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Old State said:
A wash is not “amateurish” …it is a good practice and very professional. In AC before the casinos had shufflers (or currently at some tournaments) the dealers always start with a wash, collect the cards, and finish with a riffle, riffle, strip, riffle, cut and deal. The wash is pretty quick. Many used to start by smearing the deck in a Z pattern then mixing them. No more than 5-10 seconds max on that part…on the quicker side if they don’t fumble with collecting the cards. They would usually use one card to get under the pile and always collect the deck with the faces toward the players.

At home I usually don’t wash but instead add an extra strip and riffle. Someone here posted to a shuffling effectiveness experiment which made feel that was sufficient for a home game
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I used to play in a room where there was one dealer who was the best I’d ever seen and he was like 50% better than the best of the other dealers there. Anyway, he would always do the mini wash when he gathered up the cards. Other dealers in the same room said they were instructed NOT to do that miniwash, presumably because it would just take too long. Which goes back to my point - casinos only care about speed.
 
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MrCatPants said:
Franky I don't even feel like I'm even in your top 20 of abuse targets, which is technically much more emotionally damaging.
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It's true. The hit you arnt planning to take is always the worst.
 
upNdown said:
I used to play in a room where there was one dealer who was the best I’d bet seen and he was like 50% better than the best best dealers there. Anyway, he would always do the mini wash when he gathered up the cards. Other dealers in the same ro said they were instructed NOT to do that miniwash, presumably because it would just take too long. Which goes back to my point - casinos only care about speed.
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More hands per hour = more money. I would assume casinos track these kind of stats on dealers (e.g. rake collected per hour, etc.) and probably use them for better shifts, more hours, etc. Any former dealers here know if this gets tracked/used?
 
Josh Kifer said:
On topic, I think the Noirs are bleh. Never been a fan and never understood why people like them.
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I don't own a set (not a fav of mine), but can see the appeal for different reasons.
If you can also look at them in context.. these came out well over a decade ago when the "community" (for lack of a more in depth description) was a different and smaller place and the options were not nearly as varied as they are today. The CT "community" was involved in the design via a contest. Good color combos (combos from existing home sets - think this was the only option at the time). Would be better to not reuse spot patterns in the set, but there were a set and limited number of spot patterns available at the time for home sets. Only chipset to be made on the Paradise mold (though some may think it is a good thing that it was never used again, it does add uniqueness, which some people like). I do like the attempt to incorporate chip base color in the inlay, but the inlay looks a bit busy (some chips more than others - I'm looking at you "1" chip).
 
softchewy said:
I don't own a set (not a fav of mine), but can see the appeal for different reasons.
If you can also look at them in context.. these came out well over a decade ago when the "community" (for lack of a more in depth description) was a different and smaller place and the options were not nearly as varied as they are today. The CT "community" was involved in the design via a contest. Good color combos (combos from existing home sets - think this was the only option at the time). Would be better to not reuse spot patterns in the set, but there were a set and limited number of spot patterns available at the time for home sets. Only chipset to be made on the Paradise mold (though some may think it is a good thing that it was never used again, it does add uniqueness, which some people like). I do like the attempt to incorporate chip base color in the inlay, but the inlay looks a bit busy (some chips more than others - I'm looking at you "1" chip).
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I was on CT and didn't get the fascination then either. The mold I don't mind, just really don't dig the spots, colors, or inlay. I'm weird tho, we all know this.
 
CrazyEddie said:
You said "Fantasy chip themes are lame" - I'm curious, do you consider custom chips for someone's home game ("Bob's Card Room" or "The Snake-Eyes Saloon" e.g.) a fantasy chip, and lame? Just trying to understand what about the chips makes them lame in your opinion, and why that doesn't apply to real casino chips.
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Of course not. Not sure how you would extrapolate that. I own Old State Club custom chips. It’s a real place….my basement! I even have a full bar which is what most of my neighbors know the OSC for ;)

I’m not going to call out a specific chip someone may have, but they are abundant. “Fantasy” chip is a common term as far as I can tell from the posts here and it has a specific meaning.

If you had custom chips that said “Crazy Eddie’s Poker Club” with your own design, I’d be more interested than if they said “Monte Carlo something or other”

Now that you bring it up I personally wouldn’t buy a set of real casino chips either. They don’t interest me. (maybe one chip example from historic casinos). I originally joined the forum to learn about custom chip options because my last purchase was ASMs from 2002. I had no idea until I joined here that people collected entire sets of casino chips. But there is a lot of custom poker chip and other poker info discussed here so I stayed. For example I’m a playing card junkie and people talk about that a lot.

I play poker at my house…Old State Club. I have no interest in chips that say anything else
 
Old State said:
Of course not. Not sure how you would extrapolate that. I own Old State Club custom chips. It’s a real place….my basement! I even have a full bar which is what most of my neighbors know the OSC for ;)

I’m not going to call out a specific chip someone may have, but they are abundant. “Fantasy” chip is a common term as far as I can tell from the posts here and it has a specific meaning.

If you had custom chips that said “Crazy Eddie’s Poker Club” with your own design, I’d be more interested than if they said “Monte Carlo something or other”

Now that you bring it up I personally wouldn’t buy a set of real casino chips either. They don’t interest me. (maybe one chip example from historic casinos). I originally joined the forum to learn about custom chip options because my last purchase was ASMs from 2002. I had no idea until I joined here that people collected entire sets of casino chips. But there is a lot of custom poker chip and other poker info discussed here so I stayed. For example I’m a playing card junkie and people talk about that a lot.

I play poker at my house…Old State Club. I have no interest in chips that say anything else
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I think "fantasy" "custom" and "NAGB" generally mean three distinct things.

Fantasy being the chip lines that Paulson produced not tied to a casino (Pharaoh's, CDIs, Classics, Noirs, etc.)
Custom being ASM/CPC sets or Paulson/TRK relabel sets
NAGB being the various boat/SB/RPC chips that were produced in quantity but are not formally produced fantasy chips as noted above.
 

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