CPC General discussion thread (8 Viewers)

[drdr]

Also worth pointing out is that the formula adds up to about 6.4kg worth of materials, which is probably enough for ~500 chips. It is not implied that the formula is sufficient for 2,000 chips. The order is for 2,000 chips. They likely had to purchase 4 bags of the mix to make 2,000 chips.

Is why I'm wondering if it is a complete ingredient list. Perhaps the resin component is missing? If not, then which ingredient do you claim fulfills that role? Is okay to state you believe there is no such component, am genuinely interested.

I don't think I'm the opposition you think I am. I even opened the possibility with agreeing with you on being plastic in an earlier post.

But with no resin component we have a double clash with Spragg's claim of ~60% clay and ~30ish resin.

 

[drdr]

When they use too much raw cotton in the chip mix:

Hmm... my mint CPC are rather hirsuit...

 

[drdr]

We argue about everything. The results really don't matter.

 

[LowerBama1714]

Why have lavender dye, and purple dye.

How does dye work?

Has anyone researched advance typewriter techniques from the mid-20th century?

I like to use…to separate ingredients.

My grandmother separates ingredients with three taps of the space bar…according to her old cornbread recipe.

 

[LowerBama1714]

Btw…what does chatGPT have to say about all this nonsense?

I still think I’m right.

 

[LowerBama1714]

Also worth pointing out is that the formula adds up to about 6.4kg worth of materials, which is probably enough for ~500 chips. It is not implied that the formula is sufficient for 2,000 chips. The order is for 2,000 chips. They likely had to purchase 4 bags of the mix to make 2,000 chips.

Are you accounting for scrapped material?

Maybe they make 20% more than they need?

What Mol% SiO2 did you use to calculate the density of the lead silicate?…i think you are over estimating the lead content of the glass.

 

[drdr]

Btw…what does chatGPT have to say about all this nonsense?

I still think I’m right.

Could be. Dunno if ChatGPT is worth much here. Just respews a consensus of what it finds on the net.

 

[TheTrout]

A blurb from Paulson giving a general description of their premium chip offerings. It’s interested they put “clay” in quotes, as if they know they don’t want to be seen representing them as such. I’m not sure I’ve added much to the discussion with this but I thought it was interesting. Thermo-Compression Molded Chips. Thermo-compression molded casino chips are manufactured from a proprietary formulation. Printed decals or “inlays” are incorporated in the chips during the compression steps. Customized designs, security and identifying features are incorporated into the chips. These chips have a unique feel and easy handling and are often referred to as “clay chips.” Thermo-compression molded chips are manufactured under the Paulson brand. Various security features are used to make the chips more counterfeit resistant, including UV pigments, UV inks, laser pigments, alpha-dot, customized rim, and RFID technology.

 

[maxim_666666]

What a crazy conversation. It is quite obvious that these chips contain plastic, which is used as a matrix and retains solid minerals. This all very logically correlates with the data about 50% volume (but low weight) and the rest is minerals. Otherwise, these chips would have to be baked... Like pots. But this is stupid and not practical....

Can we call it clay??? Probably not, in the truest sense of the word. But then it’s obvious that I have no right to call my kitchen countertop wooden...
Because part of it consists of glue..

It’s like the story about a glass that is either half full or empty...
@RainmanTrail
Is my kitchen countertop made of glue or wood? Or is it a composite material?

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

 

[ekricket]

What a crazy conversation. It is quite obvious that these chips contain plastic, which is used as a matrix and retains solid minerals. This all very logically correlates with the data about 50% volume (but low weight) and the rest is minerals. Otherwise, these chips would have to be baked... Like pots. But this is stupid and not practical....

Can we call it clay??? Probably not, in the truest sense of the word. But then it’s obvious that I have no right to call my kitchen countertop wooden...
Because part of it consists of glue..
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It’s like the story about a glass that is either half full or empty...
@RainmanTrail
Is my kitchen countertop made of glue or wood? Or is it a composite material?

It’s mostly air by volume….

 

[LowerBama1714]

When are we going to start talking about the rheology? Can someone help dig up the Tg of a modern China clay versus a 1950s TRK?

 

[RainmanTrail]

What a crazy conversation. It is quite obvious that these chips contain plastic, which is used as a matrix and retains solid minerals. This all very logically correlates with the data about 50% volume (but low weight) and the rest is minerals. Otherwise, these chips would have to be baked... Like pots. But this is stupid and not practical....

Can we call it clay??? Probably not, in the truest sense of the word. But then it’s obvious that I have no right to call my kitchen countertop wooden...
Because part of it consists of glue..
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It’s like the story about a glass that is either half full or empty...
@RainmanTrail
Is my kitchen countertop made of glue or wood? Or is it a composite material?

Looks like a clay countertop to me

 

[LowerBama1714]

Looks like a clay countertop to me

Pretty sure it’s bonded with a thermoset PVA adhesive…wrong again.

 

[drdr]

I expect any such bet would devolve into a difference in opinion on the definition of what a plastic is.

Not sure if I'm sad or satisfied at my previous prediction. Maybe both? Not really.

Does PCF do badges for 'I survived the x thread'?

 

[LowerBama1714]

Pretty sure it’s bonded with a thermoset PVA adhesive…wrong again.

This actually makes we wonder about the function of the dry vinyl in the TRK recipe.

Its likely just being used as an adhesive to bond the matrix…

 

[LowerBama1714]

Not sure if I'm sad or satisfied at my previous prediction. Maybe both? Not really.

Does PCF do badges for 'I survived the x thread'?

This isn’t over…

 

[Highli99]

This reminds me of an argument that happened once on a firearms forum. Somebody was really into glocks and someone else liked to insult them and their like for “plastic guns”. After a lot of mud slinging and sexual innuendo, the Glock guy agreed his guns had components that were made of polymer. It was a really useful couple of days on the internet.

 

[LowerBama1714]

This reminds me of an argument that happened once on a firearms forum. Somebody was really into glocks and someone else liked to insult them and their like for “plastic guns”. After a lot of mud slinging and sexual innuendo, the Glock guy agreed his guns had components that were made of polymer. It was a really useful couple of days on the internet.

Glass filled nylon…just a guess.

 

[Quicksilver-75]

That would be the glittery twinkly bits.

Wrong. Those are the Metal powers I've read about on Feebay from a "top seller".

 

[buzzmonkey]

Everyone knows they're called Glocks because they're made of glass and rocks.

 

[drdr]

This isn’t over…

Probably true. What I would like is more solid information. Something more than a general description of manufacturing that isn't specific on manufacturer and era. And something more informative than a single recipe from one manufacturer 1852 surrounded in some uncertainty.
May need to send in ninjas to find out more.

 

[Colquhoun]

Probably true. What I would like is more solid information. Something more than a general description of manufacturing that isn't specific on manufacturer and era. And something more informative than a single recipe from one manufacturer 1852 surrounded in some uncertainty.
May need to send in ninjas to find out more.

Except this industry is shrouded in secrecy for a reason. The materials and process used are closely guarded from a business standpoint but also a security one.
There probably isn’t a very long list of people that have had the Paulson or CPC “factory tour”.

 

[Poker Zombie]

After the last few pages of this, all I can envision, is @RainmanTrail being carried off on a stretcher, frantically saying, "You tell everybody. Listen to me, @bergs. You've gotta tell them! CPC is plastic! We've gotta stop them, somehow!"

 

[Tonysquander]

 

[Josh Kifer]

After the last few pages of this, all I can envision, is @RainmanTrail being carried off on a stretcher, frantically saying"You tell everybody. Listen to me, @bergs. You've gotta tell them! CPC is plastic! We've gotta stop them, somehow!"

 

[bergs]

Listen you carbon and water based lifeforms….

 

[bergs]

Rainman’s pronouns:

 

[Tonysquander]

Except this was typed on an old typewriter with a manual carriage return. Not uncommon to have ideas and words drop from one line to the other ( like the hyphenated word "weighted" earlier in the card).
I still see the hyphens as breaks between the ingredients.

Answer this...if the amount was after the ingredient, how much purple is to be used with this recipe?

My opinion is that it would be uncommon to have a formula typed out w/ the amount directly connected to the prior ingredient via hyphen with no spacing to indicate it does not belong to the ingredient to which it is directly connected by the hyphen. Taking your example, if the Titanium really belonged with the 3oz on the line above why would he have not started to type out "tit-" on that same line and finished on the line below if that is how he used the hyphens? He certainly had room to start the word titanium. Also, it is inconsistent to argue he uses a hyphen to connect words in the top of the document but then uses them to separate them in the bottom portion of the document.

W/ regard to the "Lav color 1/2 oz purple" I agree with the others that a reasonable interpretation is that the color of the chip is lavender. The dye color is purple, therefore you would use 1/2 oz of purple to end up with a lavender colored chip. Note how he describes Lav as a "color" and not a dye in an of itself. Of course we would have to infer that Purple is meant to be a dye reference b/c that is not included on that line either.

Look at the entry for 5/3/52. He references adding "1/2 oz purple". Based upon this document, that is an indication of how this author preferred to write out his dye instruction and matches how he noted the dye instruction on the bottom line. Also note he used no hyphens for the dye color instructions on the 5/3/52 line just as he used no hyphen on the final line for dye color instructions.

The oddest anomaly though is how he uses 2 hyphens for the dry vinyl entry. I almost suspect he may have meant to have a # symbol there for perhaps 3 pounds of the dry vinyl. Leaving aside all of the math just saying on the face of this document I would put more weight (see what I did there?) on the interpretation of the amounts following the product, not amount before the product.

 

[Josh Kifer]

Can we go back to arguing about CPC yellow for fucks sake?