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A fun exercise in any business is to measure the expense against your net profit to sales ratio.

For every $100,000 in sales/revenue at an auto dealership, the store will net profit on average $3,000 so their net to sales ratio is 3%. This is an example of a business with thin margins (hence being extremely cautious to expenses).

Let’s assume this business (CPC) is extremely profitable and is 15% net to sales ratio. Not gross profit. Net profit to sales/revenue.

Take the expense $75,000 / divided by their net to sales ratio .15 (15%) = $500,000

It will take $500,000 in sales (revenue) to absorb a $75,000 net expense.

That would be 100 $5,000 custom CPC sets to absorb the expense of a $75,000 die.
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Most of those 100 orders would have been made in other molds regardless so you would need the new mold to fetch 100x5000$ orders that otherwise would not have happened with the existing molds. Business wise it is highly unlikely it makes sense to make a new die unless it would be to replace an old worn down one.
 
A fun exercise in any business is to measure the expense against your net profit to sales ratio.

For every $100,000 in sales/revenue at an auto dealership, the store will net profit on average $3,000 so their net to sales ratio is 3%. This is an example of a business with thin margins (hence being extremely cautious to expenses).

Let’s assume this business (CPC) is extremely profitable and is 15% net to sales ratio. Not gross profit. Net profit to sales/revenue.

Take the expense $75,000 / divided by their net to sales ratio .15 (15%) = $500,000

It will take $500,000 in sales (revenue) to absorb a $75,000 net expense.

That would be 100 $5,000 custom CPC sets to absorb the expense of a $75,000 die.

Understood. At the same time my sense (correct someone if I’m wrong) is that these dies last a very long time.

Aren’t some of the dies used at CPC hand-me-downs from predecessors?

So if it’s $75K for something which will still work when the business is passed on to the *next* owners, and maybe the owners after that, you’re looking at more like $5,000 per year or even less.

And an expense which can be recouped when the owner(s) sell, if they have grown the business. Not to mention depreciation per above.

I don’t believe the person I referred to consider buying CPC ever took the tour, and so I never heard any particulars. But I assumed the purchased would be many, many multiples of $75K.

My own experience is more with buying and selling houses, which I’ve done three times. I’ve never bought a house that didn’t need $75K in improvements at *least*.

With two houses I bought, lived in, renovated and eventually sold, both in great condition the buyers put as much into renovation as they paid for the house. And both could still turn a profit if they sold now.

I also don’t know if the buyer is looking to get private equity-level returns, or if this is a labor of love. Either way, I hope the new owner(s) maintain CPC’s existing high standards while also not feeling hidebound to do everything the same way as prior stewards. I’d think there is a lot of room for both continuity and change.

Lastly, per @Gunnar ’s observation, I don’t know that new products would necessarily cut into existing orders, as opposed to generating new revenue. In my own case, I am unlikely to commission a full new set on the old model. But I very well might be a more regular shopper if there were some quick and easy off-the-shelf options which I could customize myself after purchase. (I have at times bought small batches of blanks, but these then need milling. That would be a lot better than buying Key Wests for murder.)
 
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Yeah, theoretically the die is an asset. So you’re definitely adding some value to the perceived value of the business. But I wouldn’t be buying things to one day hope to recover the money when you sell.

And I wouldn’t be so sure the price was that expensive. From the sound of it the operation was not very profitable and I’m just gathering that via random comments by David and unwillingness to spend too much money bc it appeared to be hobby/passion more than a business.

Real Estate isn’t a manufacturing/retail business. Totally different comparison. If we were talking about 1 used car that would be the same comparison. If we’re talking about reconditioning one particular chip set. I buy some used chips, clean them, find some more, make the set playable and sell them, sure. But he’s battling rent, utilities, payroll, clay and dye inventory, wear and tear on machines, advertising, website, CC fees, workers comp, legal fees. Just guessing what his P/L statement looks like. Hence the net to sales exercise and how much it costs to absorb an expense is a telling statement why David didn’t add die molds or new colors. And “I know the takes money to make money expression” etc. just my 2 cents why everyone is saying make new molds make new colors yet David couldn’t do that for years…
 
Yeah, theoretically the die is an asset. So you’re definitely adding some value to the perceived value of the business. But I wouldn’t be buying things to one day hope to recover the money when you sell.

And I wouldn’t be so sure the price was that expensive. From the sound of it the operation was not very profitable and I’m just gathering that via random comments by David and unwillingness to spend too much money bc it appeared to be hobby/passion more than a business.

Real Estate isn’t a manufacturing/retail business. Totally different comparison. If we were talking about 1 used car that would be the same comparison. If we’re talking about reconditioning one particular chip set. I buy some used chips, clean them, find some more, make the set playable and sell them, sure. But he’s battling rent, utilities, payroll, clay and dye inventory, wear and tear on machines, advertising, website, CC fees, workers comp, legal fees. Just guessing what his P/L statement looks like. Hence the net to sales exercise and how much it costs to absorb an expense is a telling statement why David didn’t add die molds or new colors. And “I know the takes money to make money expression” etc. just my 2 cents why everyone is saying make new molds make new colors yet David couldn’t do that for years…
Nobody is retiring from money they made from making poker chips
 

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