COVID-19 (Corona virous) and your home game? (3 Viewers)

[Kidd32]

Hi guys,
People are moving, not virus.
Stay at home, stay away from each other, move only if mandatory, wash hands, consider that every surface or item can be a source outside.
People in healthcare will be submerged in a few days/weeks, you can help by staying home now.

Much love to the PCF community.

Cheers

 

[Jake14mw]

There is nothing you could say. Still playing. The sky did not fall because we played last night. This is super easy, if you're afraid to play a home game just don't do it. Nobody is forcing you to go, but you are asking someone to take that choice away from others.

I'm sure many of us here had this same attitude a week ago. The good thing is that most of us kept an open mind, and allowed ourselves to be educated and enlightened. It has been great to see.

 

[doughboy63]

We canceled and did the PokerStars home game thing. Couple guys didn’t have actual computers, just tablets, or chrome books so they couldn’t play. We did have a guy who moved out of state who got to play which was cool. All in all in was fun. Not as fun as in person, but fun.

 

[ekricket]

Does anyone else think that this is what living under socialism would be like? Empty shelves of random products, staying home and getting paid, fear of inadequate health care, etc..... I don’t know for sure because I’ve lived a pretty sheltered life, but the things going on now remind me of what I always thought it could turn out to be under that kind of political ideology.

 

[asian bino]

https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/24749-poker-pro-willing-to-contract-coronavirus-for-250k

I'm willing to do it for half that, if anyone wants a bargain.....

 

[ekricket]

This should be a felony, a whole unused roll.

 

[ReallyGoodUsername]

Does anyone else think that this is what living under socialism would be like? Empty shelves of random products, staying home and getting paid, fear of inadequate health care, etc..... I don’t know for sure because I’ve lived a pretty sheltered life, but the things going on now remind me of what I always thought it could turn out to be under that kind of political ideology.

Socialism? No, not at all. USSR communism/Handmaid’s Tale? Oh yeah! Made the same general comment when I was in the store though. Pretty surreal.

 

[timinater]

Does anyone else think that this is what living under socialism would be like? Empty shelves of random products, staying home and getting paid, fear of inadequate health care, etc..... I don’t know for sure because I’ve lived a pretty sheltered life, but the things going on now remind me of what I always thought it could turn out to be under that kind of political ideology.

I think you are confusing socialism for communism, and even then...nah.

 

[BonScot]

Does anyone else think that this is what living under socialism would be like? Empty shelves of random products, staying home and getting paid, fear of inadequate health care, etc..... I don’t know for sure because I’ve lived a pretty sheltered life, but the things going on now remind me of what I always thought it could turn out to be under that kind of political ideology.

Absolutely not. When I speak to folk from across the pond they seem to conflate Socialism with Communism which it isn’t. It was a Labour (socialist) government that introduced the NHS over here which is probably the best thing that a UK government has ever done.

 

[DoubleEagle]

H1N1 Swine Flu vs. Covid-19 Statistics


H1N1 Swine Flu 2009-2010[1]

• Americans Infected: 60.8 Million
• Americans Hospitalized: 274,304
• American Deaths: 12,469 (.02% of Americans infected)
• Global Deaths: estimated between 151,700 and 575,400[2]

Was there a panic? No.

Urgency in the media? No.

National Emergency Declared: Yes. President Obama declared a National Emergency on October 24, 2009 after 1,000 US citizens had already died.

What were we told by HHS after the National Emergency Declaration? “People shouldn’t panic.”[3] Yet another 11,469 would die from H1N1.

No travel bans. No quarantines. No large scale shutdowns. No panic.

Why no large scale alarm over 12,469 US deaths? Perhaps it was because were told by HHS and the media not to panic.

Covid-19 Statistics as of March 14, 2020[4]

• US infections: 1,678 confirmed cases
• US deaths: 41
• Global infections: 60,821
• Global deaths: 2,192

Some say it’s deadlier than H1N1. But is it really? The death rates of 2-3% suggested for Covid-19 are based on the known infections. But since relatively few people have been tested those rates may be misleadingly high because there are so many unreported cases. Once the number of infections can more precisely be determined, IMO it is likely this death rate will drop dramatically to a level more consistent with H1N1.

DoubleEagle


[1] Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. CDC Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Influenza Cases, Hospitalizations and Deaths in the United States.
[2] First Global Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Pandemic Mortality Release by CDC
[3] Dr. Nicole Lurie, Assistant Secretary, Health and Human Services October 25, 2009 Today interview on NBC
[4] Centers for Disease Control and Prevention March 14, 2020

 

[BonScot]

H1N1 Swine Flu vs. Covid-19 Statistics


H1N1 Swine Flu 2009-2010[1]

• Americans Infected: 60.8 Million
• Americans Hospitalized: 274,304
• American Deaths: 12,469 (.02% of Americans infected)
• Global Deaths: estimated between 151,700 and 575,400[2]

Was there a panic? No.

Urgency in the media? No.

National Emergency Declared: Yes. President Obama declared a National Emergency on October 24, 2009 after 1,000 US citizens had already died.

What were we told by HHS after the National Emergency Declaration? “People shouldn’t panic.”[3] Yet another 11,469 would die from H1N1.

No travel bans. No quarantines. No large scale shutdowns. No panic.

Why no large scale alarm over 12,469 US deaths? Perhaps it was because were told by HHS and the media not to panic.

Covid-19 Statistics as of March 14, 2020[4]

• US infections: 1,678 confirmed cases
• US deaths: 41
• Global infections: 60,821
• Global deaths: 2,192

Some say it’s deadlier than H1N1. But is it really? The death rates of 2-3% suggested for Covid-19 are based on the known infections. But since relatively few people have been tested those rates may be misleadingly high because there are so many unreported cases. Once the number of infections can more precisely be determined, IMO it is likely this death rate will drop dramatically to a level more consistent with H1N1.

DoubleEagle


[1] Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. CDC Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Influenza Cases, Hospitalizations and Deaths in the United States.
[2] First Global Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Pandemic Mortality Release by CDC
[3] Dr. Nicole Lurie, Assistant Secretary, Health and Human Services October 25, 2009 Today interview on NBC
[4] Centers for Disease Control and Prevention March 14, 2020

Yeah it’s definitely being treated differently than all of the big scares from the last 20 years or so. The main difference I can see is that coronavirus has a much higher mortality rate than the others, but as you say that is based on know infections. Mind you the same could be said for the other flus as there could have been lots of people with minor symptoms.

 

[Klobberer]

Plus nobody has any antibodies for Covid-19, everyone has some sort of resistance to influenza.

 

[RowdyRawhide]

Plus nobody has any antibodies for Covid-19, everyone has some sort of resistance to influenza.

Then why do we need a flu vaccine every year

 

[Hornet]

H1N1 Swine Flu vs. Covid-19 Statistics


H1N1 Swine Flu 2009-2010[1]

• Americans Infected: 60.8 Million
• Americans Hospitalized: 274,304
• American Deaths: 12,469 (.02% of Americans infected)
• Global Deaths: estimated between 151,700 and 575,400[2]

Was there a panic? No.

Urgency in the media? No.

National Emergency Declared: Yes. President Obama declared a National Emergency on October 24, 2009 after 1,000 US citizens had already died.

What were we told by HHS after the National Emergency Declaration? “People shouldn’t panic.”[3] Yet another 11,469 would die from H1N1.

No travel bans. No quarantines. No large scale shutdowns. No panic.

Why no large scale alarm over 12,469 US deaths? Perhaps it was because were told by HHS and the media not to panic.

Covid-19 Statistics as of March 14, 2020[4]

• US infections: 1,678 confirmed cases
• US deaths: 41
• Global infections: 60,821
• Global deaths: 2,192

Some say it’s deadlier than H1N1. But is it really? The death rates of 2-3% suggested for Covid-19 are based on the known infections. But since relatively few people have been tested those rates may be misleadingly high because there are so many unreported cases. Once the number of infections can more precisely be determined, IMO it is likely this death rate will drop dramatically to a level more consistent with H1N1.

DoubleEagle


[1] Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. CDC Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Influenza Cases, Hospitalizations and Deaths in the United States.
[2] First Global Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Pandemic Mortality Release by CDC
[3] Dr. Nicole Lurie, Assistant Secretary, Health and Human Services October 25, 2009 Today interview on NBC
[4] Centers for Disease Control and Prevention March 14, 2020

I choose to rely on Dr. Fauci’s response when asked a similar question:

“With regard to disruption of everyday life, we have not seen that before, but we've not had this kind of a situation before," he said on "CBS This Morning" Friday. "I mean, we've had pandemics. The 2009 H1N1 swine flu was a pandemic, but it was influenza. We were familiar with what influenza does, familiar with its seasonal capability. Right now, there are a lot of unknowns."

 

[Frogzilla]

There is nothing you could say. Still playing. The sky did not fall because we played last night. This is super easy, if you're afraid to play a home game just don't do it. Nobody is forcing you to go, but you are asking someone to take that choice away from others.

Italy is maxed out on ICU. Are you still ok with increasing the likelihood you get sick, if it runs an increasingly real risk of someone else not getting the care they need?

Hang out at home with a couple really good friends, and only those couple really good friends, and chill on live poker for a bit. Unless y’all wanna play 3 handed with the same 3 dudes every day, then by all means go for it

 

[halfbreed]

Then why do we need a flu vaccine every year

Because influenza viruses (and corona viruses) have a high mutation rate and can change enough yearly that the vaccines have to account for it in next year's. It's why the flu vaccine isn't anywhere close to 100% effective. They still help though by through partial immunity and lessening of symptoms.

 

[w00zie]

H1N1 Swine Flu vs. Covid-19 Statistics


H1N1 Swine Flu 2009-2010[1]

• Americans Infected: 60.8 Million
• Americans Hospitalized: 274,304
• American Deaths: 12,469 (.02% of Americans infected)
• Global Deaths: estimated between 151,700 and 575,400[2]

Was there a panic? No.

Urgency in the media? No.

National Emergency Declared: Yes. President Obama declared a National Emergency on October 24, 2009 after 1,000 US citizens had already died.

What were we told by HHS after the National Emergency Declaration? “People shouldn’t panic.”[3] Yet another 11,469 would die from H1N1.

No travel bans. No quarantines. No large scale shutdowns. No panic.

Why no large scale alarm over 12,469 US deaths? Perhaps it was because were told by HHS and the media not to panic.

Covid-19 Statistics as of March 14, 2020[4]

• US infections: 1,678 confirmed cases
• US deaths: 41
• Global infections: 60,821
• Global deaths: 2,192

Some say it’s deadlier than H1N1. But is it really? The death rates of 2-3% suggested for Covid-19 are based on the known infections. But since relatively few people have been tested those rates may be misleadingly high because there are so many unreported cases. Once the number of infections can more precisely be determined, IMO it is likely this death rate will drop dramatically to a level more consistent with H1N1.

DoubleEagle


[1] Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. CDC Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Influenza Cases, Hospitalizations and Deaths in the United States.
[2] First Global Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Pandemic Mortality Release by CDC
[3] Dr. Nicole Lurie, Assistant Secretary, Health and Human Services October 25, 2009 Today interview on NBC
[4] Centers for Disease Control and Prevention March 14, 2020

60 Million Corona infections could result in 600.000 deaths (assuming a 1% death rate) or more. That's a lot more than 12.000.

Here's an interesting short interview with Sandra Mounier-Jack:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/08/treated-sars-ebola-swine-flu-need-know-coronavirus/

She gives some information about what's different with corona compared to H1N1.

 

[abby99]

Here's how one Italian dealt with the boredom of being quarantined: singing on his balcony.

https://www.classicfm.com/composers/puccini/nessun-dorma-florence/

 

[1A25R]

this is how Switzerland thank the medical staff

https://www.20min.ch/ro/news/romandie/story/Du-monde-aux-balcons-pour-le-corps-medical-29304068

 

[Perthmike]

Absolutely not. When I speak to folk from across the pond they seem to conflate Socialism with Communism which it isn’t. It was a Labour (socialist) government that introduced the NHS over here which is probably the best thing that a UK government has ever done.

The NHS sucks lol.

I've had nothing but bad experiences with the NHS.

 

[Coyote]

this is how Switzerland thank the medical staff

https://www.20min.ch/ro/news/romandie/story/Du-monde-aux-balcons-pour-le-corps-medical-29304068

Same here too, at 9pm

 

[Coyote]

The NHS sucks lol.

I've had nothing but bad experiences with the NHS.

You 'd have a lot worse experiences without it, even outside it

 

[Perthmike]

You 'd have a lot worse experiences without it, even outside it

I'm all for universal healthcare, but I think it works best when it's supplemented by a private healthcare system alongside it.

 

[Coyote]

I'm all for universal healthcare, but I think it works best when it's supplemented by a private healthcare system alongside it.

For sure, nobody said to do away with taxis and limos; but there's got to be a subway and bus system. The more efficient the latter is, the better for everyone, even for non-users.

 

[Perthmike]

For sure, nobody said to do away with taxis and limos; but there's got to be a subway and bus system. The more efficient the latter is, the better for everyone, even for non-users.

Just realised this isn't in the politicial area, so I'll edit my post lol rather than us ruin another perfectly good thread with boring healthcare discussion

I'm bored and sick in bed lol

 

[Coyote]

I haven't gone too deep into it, but I thought Bernie and Warren proposed to do away entirely with private health insurance.

I 've never plunged deep into the madness of American politics, so I just don't have a clue. There 's already enough madness and stupidity in Greece, to handle.

 

[Señor Tony]

I'm all for universal healthcare, but I think it works best when it's supplemented by a private healthcare system alongside it.

I ditched private health insurance five years ago and haven't looked back. I now happily pay the Medicare levy surcharge every year instead of very reluctantly paying 3.5% more each year for less and less PHI coverage and value.

 

[Perthmike]

I ditched private health insurance five years ago and haven't looked back. I now happily pay the Medicare levy surcharge every year instead of very reluctantly paying 3.5% more each year for less and less PHI coverage and value.

We just went public for the birth of our child and it was great.

Other than the extras, such as dental, osteo and physio, i'm kinda not sure why be got private cover. I did have to wait 7 months for a knee reconstruction and by the time it came around I decided id rehabbed it enough that I could manage without an acl. So I keep it just in case I need some type of elective surgery I suppose.

 

[bsdunbar1]

Pics from last nights action.
In for 6 rolls, out for 27
#winning

 

[Klobberer]

Paper cards? Can't wash them!