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Have we finally reached market saturation?? (5 Viewers)

LeLe said:
Unless u playing with a batch of fitness trainers on hand wood surface, the new chips virtually don’t get chips. They might pick up some dirt here and there, and that it

I rotate my sets weekly / biweekly so each set basically go in play around 4-5x annually
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Even the boudoirs got table time earlier this year, whoo!
 
BarrieJ3 said:
no one likes super worn THCs much either.
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grantc54 said:
And CPC molds being better than RHC belongs in the controversial thread. Love that you can create your own custom chips but the feel and sound of RHC is far superior to CPC (those being most influenced by mold, but colours also +++ above CPC).
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LeLe said:
Cos my usual stake (25c/50c to $1/$1 & $1/$2) went up since I got them, so I cant use them as much as I wanted since the bank might be too short sometime
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Oh yeah for sure. Lol I was amazed you got them in play at all!

It’s such a small piece of an amazing set. If I ever get an update or lead or opening on the set, I’ll pass the info along to you!
 
BarrieJ3 said:
I’m not saying it’s right, I’m just going with what the popular vote would say. As shown by the classifieds and the propensity to pass on used but still solid THCs.
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Fair. Personally one of my all time keepers that would make the cut, even if I quit chipping, fits 22 to a barrel
 
JeepologyOffroad said:
Fair. Personally one of my all time keepers that would make the cut, even if I quit chipping, fits 22 to a barrel
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Like everything else, I think it’s nice to have a range.

The only type of chip that I’d say negatively impacts the game is slippery chips and dead mint chalky chips.

Anything else, I’m game.

Edit - matsui emerald bay, had to look it up. Chips were worse than those old plastic interlocking chips. Idk why it wasn’t posted more, you couldn’t pick up 6 chips with the barrel exploding.
 
JeepologyOffroad said:
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Ok, ok. Thinking about CPC molds I probably got too caught up on the material. While there are many CPC molds that don't work for me there are some that would be nicer than RHC on a Paulson chip (so material aside).

On the well worn THC vs RHC, the more worn THC I have were still ok the play, the well worn RHC were as @upNdown said, like plastic. The larger inlay likely didn't help (for reference this was a stack of super worn Paradice $5s).
 
BarrieJ3 said:
Like everything else, I think it’s nice to have a range.

The only type of chip that I’d say negatively impacts the game is slippery chips and dead mint chalky chips.

Anything else, I’m game.

Edit - matsui emerald bay, had to look it up. Chips were worse than those old plastic interlocking chips. Idk why it wasn’t posted more, you couldn’t pick up 6 chips with the barrel exploding.
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I know a great way to fix the issue with dead mint chalky chips :cool
 
Two casinos near me opened pre-pandemic, one in 2017, the other in 2018. Both use RHCs.

After 6-7 years, both of their RHCs are looking very worn. Not bicycle tires, but the hats and canes are becoming shallow and harder to make out.

Doesn’t help that they never clean them, either.

That said, even if I were still using my large Jack Detroit tournament set regularly, I don’t think I’d see a noticeable difference in them. I used it for a two-table game twice a week for a couple years, and they are still very sharp and new-looking. I don’t find cracks or bites in the hats.

The amount of wear chips get 24/7/365 in a casino is just vastly greater than our home games held 1-4 times a month for 5-8 hours. So the standard knocks on RHCs don’t really apply if you get them new/minty and only use them at home, imho.
 
upNdown said:
According to your join date, you’ve been here practically forever. You’re not suggesting that RHC hate is anything new, are you?
I’ve definitely spread around my share of it, but I was just joining in on the well-established trend that’s been going on since before my time.

My opinion is that mint RHCs aren’t bad but worn ones are very bad. And I’d say most of the CPC molds are better than RHCs.
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I’ve been around since the blue wall but with large gaps, most recently from about 2018-whenever I started posting again in 2024.

It’s definitely not like it was back then, or quite possibly I was just more oblivious to it 5+ years ago.

Then again I’m sure a lot changed with the WW buying spree, but with all that money and all those sets, this was his reason for selling his semi-custom THCs:

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Nobody is wrong for having an opinion on what chips they like and I’ve admitted to RHC being more personal/nostalgic to me (not to mention more in line with my budget) but I’ve seen some crazy things being said about how terrible they are. At the end of the day they’re still compressed clay in one of the few forms that exist.

(And this isn’t me trying to drive up the market either, I’ve already sold off most of my extras. Not that it would work if I tried to drive up the market anyway.)
 
BarrieJ3 said:
Oh yeah for sure. Lol I was amazed you got them in play at all!

It’s such a small piece of an amazing set. If I ever get an update or lead or opening on the set, I’ll pass the info along to you!
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They become more playable after I added some custom make $20 & $100 plaque to the set

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Taghkanic said:
That said, even if I were still using my large Jack Detroit tournament set regularly, I don’t think I’d see a noticeable difference in them. I used it for a two-table game twice a week for a couple years, and they are still very sharp and new-looking. I don’t find cracks or bites in the hats.

The amount of wear chips get 24/7/365 in a casino is just vastly greater than our home games held 1-4 times a month for 5-8 hours. So the standard knocks on RHCs don’t really apply if you get them new/minty and only use them at home, imho.
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To be fair you’re talking about Jack Detroit here, the king of RHC.
 
btbmason said:
Then again I’m sure a lot changed with the WW buying spree, but with all that money and all those sets, this was his reason for selling his semi-custom THCs:
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Yeah he says a lot of things.

Anyway, RHCs and nicely used (not bike tire) THCs are the best value on PCF at this time when considering cost and quality, the latter especially. I'm retiredTM but still very tempted on some of the racks I'm seeing. My favorite chips I own are buttery as hell and probably ~$250-$300/rack.

JeepologyOffroad said:
Fair. Personally one of my all time keepers that would make the cut, even if I quit chipping, fits 22 to a barrel
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Amen.
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Rieguy said:
Yeah he says a lot of things.

Anyway, RHCs and nicely used (not bike tire) THCs are the best value on PCF at this time when considering cost and quality, the latter especially. I'm retiredTM but still very tempted on some of the racks I'm seeing. My favorite chips I own are buttery as hell and probably ~$250-$300/rack.


Amen.
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Have those chips been edge conditioned, or otherwise worked on?
 
upNdown said:
Have those chips been edge conditioned, or otherwise worked on?
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The ones in a separate response to Jeep's post, yes, which you knew the answer to.

However, the the well-priced "buttery" chips I was referring to in my blurb absolutely are not. Adolfo $1s, Grand Biloxi solids, and the like. These kinds of chips are what I was addressing and are quite available on PCF. Very recently, primary Aztar $25s and Cajun Cup $5s were available at good deals, as are some buttery options in @toothpic's current sale (LCO $25s) unless they're gone. Leaded nicely worn in THC options between ~$300-$500 are really great in current market.
 
Rieguy said:
The ones in a separate response to Jeep's post, yes, which you knew the answer to.

However, the the well-priced "buttery" chips I was referring to in my blurb absolutely are not. Adolfo $1s, Grand Biloxi solids, and the like. These kinds of chips are what I was addressing and are quite available on PCF. Very recently, primary Aztar $25s and Cajun Cup $5s were available at good deals, as are some buttery options in @toothpic's current sale (LCO $25s) unless they're gone. Leaded nicely worn in THC options between ~$300-$500 are really great in current market.
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The reason I make the distinction is because I have a hard time with leaded THC tires. I’ve owned them and sold them because I really didn’t like how they handled. Obviously this matter is subjective, but I’m low key shocked by @JeepologyOffroad assertion that his 22/barrels are all-time keepers. I personally can’t understand it unless they’ve been altered to handle better.
I’m not saying anybody’s wrong for loving any chips, I’m just surprised.
 
upNdown said:
The reason I make the distinction is because I have a hard time with leaded THC tires. I’ve owned them and sold them because I really didn’t like how they handled. Obviously this matter is subjective, but I’m low key shocked by @JeepologyOffroad assertion that his 22/barrels are all-time keepers. I personally can’t understand it unless they’ve been altered to handle better.
I’m not saying anybody’s wrong for loving any chips, I’m just surprised.
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That’s fair. Yes, that is the set I’m referring to myself. My Elsinore have been conditioned and they are amazing. Now feel very much like the buttery chips @Rieguy is referring to
 
DirtyTIVA said:
I don’t think it’s a buyers market as much as it’s not a sellers market and prices in general are lower than they have been for really anything versus one year ago.

In a seller’s market there are multiple buyers for something, driving prices up. In a buyers market someone puts up a wanted ad and multiple sellers compete to make the sale (usually with lower prices). Neither is happening.
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The guy who just bumped his ad for Diamond Jacks is a good example of this. These were initially offered by the chiproom at $1.59. The market was so saturated that mint $5s didn’t sell out at that price. Chiproom eventually blew them out a a buck apiece.
This guy keeps bumping his own ad, offering them for $200 per rack. Nobody’s buying them at that price because it’s not a sellers market. But when you have sellers who won’t budge on their price, I guess it’s not a buyers market either.
 
The argument was made that it is neither a buyers market nor a sellers market. I would argue the point that it is a buyers market. I feel that there are more and more bumps with price reduction posts. Some would argue that the asking price is starting out too high. That could be the case, but I would argue that having so many chips coming up for sale, the buyers can be more picky in what they’re choosing to buy.

A lot of posts are stating that they’re selling for less than they paid. Covid gave more people money to purchase chips via stimulus checks and boosted unemployment. Plus the CARES act allowed people to take money from their 401K without a penalty. “Free money” was floating around in mass causing pricing to increase.

Today with inflation (some caused by the aforementioned stimulus money), money is tighter and demand for chips is lower. At least for the premium pricing. Even Tigers aren’t commanding the pricing they once did.

There will always be the “elite” people with deep wallets buying whatever they want and don’t care what they pay to get it. But I feel the majority of people on here are the average joes trying to get the most bank for their buck.
 
elemeno said:
I actually think the average/median PCFer has a higher income than the average/median income of the nation
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Could be survivorship bias, the ones looking for a bang for their buck get CC’s or Tina’s and leave. The ones who stick with the site may have extra cash laying around, or better ability to save more money, for something more premium
 
Phoe9x said:
Could be survivorship bias, the ones looking for a bang for their buck get CC’s or Tina’s and leave. The ones who stick with the site may have extra cash laying around, or better ability to save more money, for something more premium
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Well, there’s also the pure degen factor as well :LOL: :laugh:
 
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Timmah said:
I would argue the point that it is a buyers market. I feel that there are more and more bumps with price reduction posts. Some would argue that the asking price is starting out too high. That could be the case, but I would argue that having so many chips coming up for sale, the buyers can be more picky in what they’re choosing to buy.
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Think you’re right, but will prices come down from where they are now? Seems like sellers rather keep chips/sets than sell at (too much of) a loss.
 

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