I paid $200 a rack for DJ $5s and $260 for $25s. When I went back to the same seller for more DJ $25s he said $65 per barrel.
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Have we finally reached market saturation?? (7 Viewers)
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There’s too much focus on price here. The good stuff will never be dirt cheap. The cheap stuff will never be worth anything. Anyone who uses the word “appreciation” can get f@cked. Buy what you like. As much as you can afford. Go speculate in crypto if you think of chips as an “investment.”
Or Jumers? And I think both Jumers and DJs are nice minty RHC chips.
Just look at HSI prices plummet. Those are truly as nice as JD they just don’t photo as well.
Was that the launch sale or clearance price? Yah minty $1 rhc always a steal and will be flipped…for maybe $2?
LeLe
4 of a Kind
Those are when they are on sales (launch price was at $2 if I remember correctly), DJ have an awful low # of $1 which end up with a lot of surplus $5 and $25
Jumers was the first sales when Jim priced them at a much higher price at launch as compared to previous TCR Sales and it didn't work out well
I think the Jumers Secondary $5 are very nice but not at that launch price.
Price went back lower after that but still higher than 2020 TCR pricing
that was clearance. Ask me how I know. I bought five or six racks for the fives at launch at $1.60 apiece. I decided I didn’t like them and figured I could quickly resell them at a small loss. Except there were over 10,000 unsold.
I ended up getting $1.20 apiece for them, which I guess was a win, considering the clearance price?
Figured as much. But nonetheless, new chippers coming to the site see custom Tina’s for 50 cents on a much better mold and are skipping RHC entirely.
Not everyone. But a lot of people.
Not everyone. But a lot of people.
LeLe
4 of a Kind
I think Used RHC are the one that is getting 95% affected.
Most ppl who can afford the budget still move on from Tina to Mint RHC stage after that.
But it does help a lot of new people who can't afford RHC budget anyway in the first place to get some affordable Custom Tina
The only differences will be 20 years later when their children inherited their chips and post them in the Collection sector here asking for Value
I figure even Mint RHC are going to worth like Gold by then with all the casinos going the ICON route nowadays.I wonder.
I already own casino Paulsons, which make me happy. If I went shopping for a new set, I’d definitely be looking at 43mm Tina hybrids, over mint RHCs, at their prices.
But if I owned no sets, I might spring for the RHCs, just to own the coolness of real clay, real casino chips. So maybe it’s not just about the beginners preferring cheap chips. Maybe some experienced chippers who have been there done that with Paulsons recognize the value in the Tina’s.
LeLe
4 of a Kind
I think our problem is because of how cheap/affordable they are, we might end up purchasing too many sets and having to resell them without even using them.
At least I did the mistake and had 7 sets of ceramics at my peak where I end up selling 5 of them, luckily I got them pretty early on and is still relatively easy to resell them to the secondary market then.
elemeno
Two Pair
Yeah, and I bet the vast majority of new PCFers join the forum, buy their one or two sets, then leave. The ones that stay then are more likely to proceed to clay.
I think Tina chips just completely rewrite the price to value proposition. Despite “buy what you can afford”, most people, especially newer PCFers, will be price sensitive regardless of what they can afford. Clay > ceramic for 99.9%, but how much better is subjective. Tina’s are ~50c while RHCs seem to be ~200c. RHCs aren’t 4x better for most people (most people aren’t PCFers), and the customization is valuable. I think real casino chips might have some value if they come from a storied casino, but “Diamond Jack” and especially “Jumers” probably don’t move the needle for most people.
I can’t even get one of my home games that takes $5-$10 a hand to buy Tina’s to replace his dice chips lol even when I mention game security.
LeLe
4 of a Kind
Tina, with the monthly Group Buys also killed off most of the other Group Buys.
There's almost zero Non Tina GB activity anymore
There's almost zero Non Tina GB activity anymore
Good point. We’d usually see one or two plastic chip group buys each year. But they were always a tough sell at their premium price, and now with Tina’s . . .
jamesjkim
Flush
Seems like with more card rooms using ceramics that average poker players may perceive them as "amazing" chips. I regularly see ceramics, cards mold and other hybrids on poker vlogger videos now (along with the usual Monte Carlo sluggos for their private home games).
ekricket
Royal Flush
When is @justincarothers going to start providing chips to Texas cardrooms? Somebody needs to start making the rounds with samples.
I just don’t see the Tina impact to the value of real Paulson’s especially THC’s.
I view them as separate and distinct market demographics. Those folks who are inclined to get real casino clay (RHC or THC) will end up there anyway. Tina just lowers the barrier to entry to chipping and might add an additional step that previously wasn’t as easily accessible.
I think the change in value is driven by the broader current economic environment and folks just not willing (or able) to pay what was arguably over inflated prices to begin with.
I view them as separate and distinct market demographics. Those folks who are inclined to get real casino clay (RHC or THC) will end up there anyway. Tina just lowers the barrier to entry to chipping and might add an additional step that previously wasn’t as easily accessible.
I think the change in value is driven by the broader current economic environment and folks just not willing (or able) to pay what was arguably over inflated prices to begin with.
I agree 100%.
Demand plus scarcity equals a price point.
Though the scarcity of Paulson's and high-end plastics is still relevant, their demand has been declining (IMHO).
That there are so many excellent Tina designs and molds available; combined with that Tina durability and quality is fairly good means it's generally harder for someone like me to rationalize upgrading to something which costs 4-5x as much.
The questions I find myself asking are: Do I want a set of ultra-high-quality Paulson's, Abbiatis, or CPCs? Or, for the same cost, do I want 4-5 COMPLETE SETS of Tina chips? The answer to BOTH questions is a resounding "yes" for any true chipper. I myself am guilty there given I'm actively planning for my next CPC set, as well as just ordered another Tina set from Justin.
The point is that my interest in higher end chips and group buys for such has definitely declined with the availability of just about anything I want via Tinas.
LeCoq
Pair
where and when was this?
ekricket
Royal Flush
Just saying that when dice chips hit the market it was an incredible craze. So much better than the interlocking thin ones, they had some heft and “looked like” what you used in casinos. They literally flew off the shelves and filled every den in America. Now look where they are.
Boy did they time the poker boom perfectly.
I remember my jaw dropped when my friends had those and I had the basic diamond ones. I was like, those r so cool! Then I bought CDI BCCS Booyah! If only I came across chip talk chip board Paulson fantasies etc…
. .
Some of us just enjoy getting together with other lovers of their chips for a few days of competitive card playing, some good food and a few laughs. I’m not sure if the hobby was supposed to be anymore sophisticated
than that.
. . .
^^ This right here
I question that Tina’s are more durable than anything else in particular, or particularly durable in general.
(But I also question whether durability is even a factor home users should waste any time considering.)
I finally convinced our group to invest $700 in some Tina's (tournament set) when the sluggos were literally crumbling when tossed into a pot.
They LOVE them. Well most do . . .
Welp, so much for my comment above.
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I will never ever create a CPC set. But I’ll pay madly for custom samples.
I likely won’t own any Tina sets (but am 1000x more likely to buy Tina than CPC), and I wouldn’t pay $0 for Tina samples.
I will never ever create a CPC set. But I’ll pay madly for custom samples.
I likely won’t own any Tina sets (but am 1000x more likely to buy Tina than CPC), and I wouldn’t pay $0 for Tina samples.
You're very right on that. I don't have any data that Tinas will hold up better or worse than anything else. I DO know that I provided some Tinas to my Thursday VFW league over a year ago and they've held up fairly well... other than a bit of hooker-juice build up.
I only brought up durability given there have been ceramics in the past that were freaking awful. I.E. I remember someone mentioning Nile Club chips in that regard.
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