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Player Left Without Counting His Money WWYD? (1 Viewer)

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I would definitely stop the game and check the chip bank and cash bank before continuing the game. This would be my nightmare and is why I'm so paranoid when I cash out players, but I have a few things I do to figure out if someone ever got over/underpaid. I always start the night with a set amount of cash. Usually, it's $3,000 in cash and $300 in the cash register. Most of my players don't bring cash so I'm their personal piggybank for the night. I keep a record of all buy in and cash outs for each player. If at the end of the night, I have over $3300 in the register then I've underpaid someone and if it's under then I've overpaid someone. Luckily, the cash drawer has been net zero every single time. I've thought of taking a picture for every cash out in the future so that there would be no disputes over cashouts, but I haven't had any issues and don't want to slow the game down. I guess I could have my wife take photos and do cashouts so that I can keep the game running while she cashes out players. I hope you figured it out.
 
Jimulacrum said:
The OP said that the host counted the money and handed it to the player and asked him to count it, but whether the player actually counted it is unclear.
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Wow, you’re right. I read the line “I counted the money twice and I had him count it as well” a few times before I realized he didn’t actually see him count it.
Truth is though, it’s pretty accusatory to assume you’re short-changed when the host counted it twice in front of you, you choose not to count it. If that were me, I would assume the $500 was anywhere but in the host’s house…because I watched him count it.
Twice.
 
drdr said:
Bought in 3 times for $500, so up $400.
I'm wondering if he thought he had bought in twice instead of thrice. Hence thinks is missing $500.
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Bought in 3 times "for $500 total" is what the OP stated. Not sure in reality what happened lol but I read this as Villian is IN for $500
 
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He's totally at fault. You counted twice and had him count before he left. Once he takes the money and leaves, he looses any ability to dispute the cash out. And at the end of the night if the bank is up $500, you tell him he was right and give him the money.
 
JLK8 said:
We stop the game and after some deliberation figure it will be easier to figure it all out at the end when the game stops and cashouts happen.
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Every answer is going to say it’s his responsibility/loss.

This is the excerpt I’m confused by though. Several hosts have commented regarding pausing play and making sure chips/count are right.

As a *player*, I’m stopping the game to make sure host has a chance to get bearings and see if it’s all good. I don’t want my host uncomfortable or out money, so let’s solve it at that moment and move on.

Even in my immature stages of hosting, where I likely would have just kept going and then given that guy another $500 out of my own pocket (because I’m a bit sheepish and don’t want to make a big deal) - my own players would’ve said hell no you’re not going in the red let’s count right now.

You aren’t playing for pennies. If you’re a little new at hosting or don’t yet feel comfortable with enforcement/authority, I’d recommend having a player on hand you can trust to assist In these scenarios.
 
JustinInMN said:
This is starting to boggle my mind the mechanics of this. You had to issue 75-79 bills to make this cash out. (5*100 and 70*20 or 4*100 and 75*20) Holy cow!
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JustinInMN said:
But I appreciate this post. And it should serve as why it's important as a banker to have a robust way of handing money in and out of the bank. When you do that, it's much easier to get the confidence and benefit of the doubt from your players when an issue comes up.

I do my best to imitate bank tellers and casino cashiers. Lay everything out in easily countable piles of five bills....
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AWenger said:
Reminds me of a 1/3 cash game I used to play in years ago that had a lot of $20 bills, when payouts were still cash and most ATMs gave out $20s. After buy-ins, the host would count up and bundle the $20 bills with rubber bands in separate packs of 25 bills ($500) per pack. Whenever someone cashed out for a big amount, the host would just give out packs of $20s, it was still on the player to count the bills in the packs, but I think only one time was there ever a problem, and that was because there was an extra $20 bill in one pack, (which I returned to the host).

It was easy for both parties to remember... in this case, for 1900 the player might get three packs of $20s ($500 each) + 4 $100 bills .. ok... 1900.
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When dealing with large amounts of cash (usually $20s), I have always bundled bills (using paper clips and rubber bands) to make cash-outs and payments easier to count. Counting stacks/bundles of $100 and $500 is much quicker -- and typically more accurate -- than counting out tons of single bills.
 
After a double count and he left...that's it. Exception: you end up with $500 at the end of the night.
 
I've found that counting the empty racks and barrels is a much faster way to determine if the bank matches what should be in my bank. Granted this does not work if you aren't using custom or at least non-mainstream chips.

If 4 racks of red, 1 of white, and three barrels of green are out, the bank should be ~$3600
 
To me this is 100% on him. In my regular game, I watch the person who counts out my payout (and then he checks it again for good measure).

After that I still count it a third time just to make absolutely sure.

IMO any disputes on an incorrect payout are kind of null and void as soon as the person leaves the game. (obviously unless the bank is off by a ton at the end)
 
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drdr said:
Hmm. All of this is much easier if game is cash only rather than involving electronic transfers.
What was the outcome?
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Not sure we should derail this thread into the cash vs electronic but this is one of the places that electronic seems like an improvement to me.

I do electronic only. Everyone plays on credit. Keep a detailed ledger and do everything out loud in front of everyone. Electronic allows for very easy tracking of transactions. That has all its obvious detriments but with regard to this type of situation it seems to have just benefits.

That being said, not sure why you brought it up lol because this seems clearly all cash.
 

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