State of the Current Union/Chip Buying Advice (1 Viewer)

[HaRDHouSeiNC]

selling all your CP 43mms then?

Ritz and CPark were the first and last
Now it’s just a NAGB scam to charge more

They make the sets I have but I’d never put them in a set on purpose ever again till 5K

 

[davislane]

Is the value b/c it's a casino chip or b/c of the 43mm blaze bear claw?

Probably both? Paulson discontinued bear claws now, right?

combination of all 3. colour, size and spot pattern. casino chip or not doesnt really play into the price IMO because of the other things previously mentioned.

Would make a great 100k chip for a BTP tourney set.

 

[khp]

Indiana Grand total joke too

I’m not really sure what you mean, but I asked the question in hopes to highlight the realities of the situation.

TCR can sell chips at $7.50 to $8.50, or he can sell them at a lower price and others profit instead, evinced by the two recent examples I linked.

 

[HaRDHouSeiNC]

I’m not really sure what you mean, but I asked the question in hopes to highlight the realities of the situation.

TCR can sell chips at $7.50 to $8.50, or he can sell them at a lower price and others profit instead, evinced by the two recent examples I linked.

RH&C unleaded chips
Post sale
What now 2-4x at the peak $5s were the Wild West of pricing
I’ll take zero part in that JackAY

 

[Goldfish]

I really can’t stand 43mm
I’ll never buy another
Overhyped

blasphemy! All hi denomination chips should be 43 mm. Moving a stack of 43 mm hi denominations across the betting line makes a statement. Not the same when those chips are 39 mm.

 

[cpac54]

blasphemy! All hi denomination chips should be 43 mm. Moving a stack of 43 mm hi denominations across the betting line makes a statement. Not the same when those chips are 39 mm.

43mm is sooo 2020! Shoving all-in with stacks and stacks of 48mm Fat Hats is where it's really at!

 

[Goldfish]

43mm is sooo 2020! Shoving all-in with stacks and stacks of 48mm Fat Hats is where it's really at!

Bigger is always better….

 

[HaRDHouSeiNC]

blasphemy! All hi denomination chips should be 43 mm. Moving a stack of 43 mm hi denominations across the betting line makes a statement. Not the same when those chips are 39 mm.

I’m just not a fan
And I bought plenty 43mm stuff early on cause those sets used it

I’d keep 100+ at normal sizing for me

 

[Pinkdan]

I’m just not a fan
And I bought plenty 43mm stuff early on cause those sets used it

I’d keep 100+ at normal sizing for me

Makes sense, your hand must not be used to that amount of girth…

 

[cpac54]

Makes sense, your hand must not be used to that amount of girth…

 

[upNdown]

Very interesting indeed. So I guess the state of the union is that certain chips in small quantities are transacting at nutty prices, while most other (NAGB) high priced chips aren't.

Pretty much. A year ago you could sell pretty much anything (for at least whatever the last guy paid) really quickly. These days people will still overpay for stuff they really want, but it’s no longer an “everybody will overpay for everything” situation.

first ever blaze bearclaw. 43mm chip. Im honestly surprised they arent going for more. PNY $1Ks go for $50+ a chip.

Yeah, when we first saw them, we all knew that they end up going for like $25 apiece. $40 apiece seems ridiculous to me, but I guess it’s just a matter of degree.

 

[Ben8257]

What disturbs you more between that and recent IG sales selling for 4x and 2.4x TCR prices?

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/indiana-grand-secondary-1k-1-barrel.96076/

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/indiana-grand-set.96039/

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/indiana-grand-sale-thread.89861/

Psst!! That's because I am the idiot paying "most" of those insane prices

I am normally the guy yelling "don't chase the flashing lights! Don't buy a new car off the lot of go after the latest and greatest chip sets!" It's just a bad investment because the "new" will wear off, we have all seen it time and time again.

At one point I was offered $600 for a rack of IG primary $5s behind the scenes, I bought 600 and still have my 600. But last week two racks in fantastic shaped sat for over 24 hours (or close to it) for $200 a rack... all those people that paid $450 plus... ouch man! But there will always be those that simply have to own the latest and greatest... then as soon as the next "group buy" comes up they dump the others for what they can get!

For me I won that "golden ticket" everyone Saud "congratulations" but for what??? I really didn't win anything other than a chance to cut the line, but I am still paying the same prices for the chips! Could I have sold them in all the hype right after the sale like many others did? Sure, and I did sell my sec snappers for a profit as I really didn't like them as a frac option. The rest I still own and have expanded on... why would I pay flippers prices? It's quite simple... I absolutely believe that the IG series are amongst the best RHCs ever produced! I want to get mine fully playable before these fall into their forever homes and I am left with another multi year project looking for chips that aren’t moving anymore.

When I look at these chips I ask myself... "do you really think you will still love these in 20 years?" My answer is a resounding YES!!

So for someone like me... I don't mind paying $30 a chip for secondary $1ks... because I simply don't think anything will ever beat them or be more beautiful! You only have so much time before the flippers move their stock and these chips fall into their forever homes! Do I think they are worth $30 a chip? NO but others do, so if I want them that bad... if they are forever chips sure I could sit back and say "I'm not paying more than $20 a chip!" Never add a single chip, next seller asks $40... someone pays it... I can still be the idiot saying "I'm not paying more than $20" but again they are falling into their forever homes... even if the market crashes and burns, I don't think anyone is going to come off of these for less than $30, so I pay these crazy prices NOT as an investment like so many others... but because I know they are my forever chips!

Let it crash and burn, let values drop to $1 a chip... I'm still buying! Lol

Those that say "Indiana Grand suck!" Go on with your hate! This is freaking beautiful, and honestly I don't care others think...

LOVE YOUR CHIPS!! That is really all that matters, if your fear what is happening to the chip market and the values of your sets... do you really love them or are they simply an investment? My tourney set is going to cost about $15 - $16k total in the end. It is worth that to me to give me peace... this is as close as I will ever get to owning something "on par" with the BTP tournament sets, @Chippy McChiperson already owns a massive set of those in our local group and I get to play them a couple times a year. This is my "contribution" of quality chips to the already amazing chip collectors we have in our MD/PA/VA/DC area. We are trully blessed to have the opportunity to play with some of the greatest chips ever made on a regular basis in our immediate area!

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions...

But it simply doesn't get better than that in my eyes! The "Monalisa" of modern poker chips! In person these will take your breath away!

 

[Goldfish]

Psst!! That's because I am the idiot paying "most" of those insane prices
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I am normally the guy yelling "don't chase the flashing lights! Don't buy a new car off the lot of go after the latest and greatest chip sets!" It's just a bad investment because the "new" will wear off, we have all seen it time and time again.

At one point I was offered $600 for a rack of IG primary $5s behind the scenes, I bought 600 and still have my 600. But last week two racks in fantastic shaped sat for over 24 hours (or close to it) for $200 a rack... all those people that paid $450 plus... ouch man! But there will always be those that simply have to own the latest and greatest... then as soon as the next "group buy" comes up they dump the others for what they can get!

For me I won that "golden ticket" everyone Saud "congratulations" but for what??? I really didn't win anything other than a chance to cut the line, but I am still paying the same prices for the chips! Could I have sold them in all the hype right after the sale like many others did? Sure, and I did sell my sec snappers for a profit as I really didn't like them as a frac option. The rest I still own and have expanded on... why would I pay flippers prices? It's quite simple... I absolutely believe that the IG series are amongst the best RHCs ever produced! I want to get mine fully playable before these fall into their forever homes and I am left with another multi year project looking for chips that aren’t moving anymore.
View attachment 1007968
When I look at these chips I ask myself... "do you really think you will still love these in 20 years?" My answer is a resounding YES!!

So for someone like me... I don't mind paying $30 a chip for secondary $1ks... because I simply don't think anything will ever beat them or be more beautiful! You only have so much time before the flippers move their stock and these chips fall into their forever homes! Do I think they are worth $30 a chip? NO but others do, so if I want them that bad... if they are forever chips sure I could sit back and say "I'm not paying more than $20 a chip!" Never add a single chip, next seller asks $40... someone pays it... I can still be the idiot saying "I'm not paying more than $20" but again they are falling into their forever homes... even if the market crashes and burns, I don't think anyone is going to come off of these for less than $30, so I pay these crazy prices NOT as an investment like so many others... but because I know they are my forever chips!

Let it crash and burn, let values drop to $1 a chip... I'm still buying! Lol
View attachment 1007979
Those that say "Indiana Grand suck!" Go on with your hate! This is freaking beautiful, and honestly I don't care others think...

LOVE YOUR CHIPS!! That is really all that matters, if your fear what is happening to the chip market and the values of your sets... do you really love them or are they simply an investment? My tourney set is going to cost about $15 - $16k total in the end. It is worth that to me to give me peace... this is as close as I will ever get to owning something "on par" with the BTP tournament sets, @Chippy McChiperson already owns a massive set of those in our local group and I get to play them a couple times a year. This is my "contribution" of quality chips to the already amazing chip collectors we have in our MD/PA/VA/DC area. We are trully blessed to have the opportunity to play with some of the greatest chips ever made on a regular basis in our immediate area!

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions...
View attachment 1007985
But it simply doesn't get better than that in my eyes! The "Monalisa" of modern poker chips! In person these will take your breath away!

I absolutely love it when I hear other chippers say……

 

[glynn]

One thing I don't understand, and hopefully someone can clarify, is I have read multiple warnings that flippers will be banned from future TCR sales. Is that not the case? Was it ever the case?

 

[cpac54]

Psst!! That's because I am the idiot paying "most" of those insane prices
View attachment 1007962
I am normally the guy yelling "don't chase the flashing lights! Don't buy a new car off the lot of go after the latest and greatest chip sets!" It's just a bad investment because the "new" will wear off, we have all seen it time and time again.

At one point I was offered $600 for a rack of IG primary $5s behind the scenes, I bought 600 and still have my 600. But last week two racks in fantastic shaped sat for over 24 hours (or close to it) for $200 a rack... all those people that paid $450 plus... ouch man! But there will always be those that simply have to own the latest and greatest... then as soon as the next "group buy" comes up they dump the others for what they can get!

For me I won that "golden ticket" everyone Saud "congratulations" but for what??? I really didn't win anything other than a chance to cut the line, but I am still paying the same prices for the chips! Could I have sold them in all the hype right after the sale like many others did? Sure, and I did sell my sec snappers for a profit as I really didn't like them as a frac option. The rest I still own and have expanded on... why would I pay flippers prices? It's quite simple... I absolutely believe that the IG series are amongst the best RHCs ever produced! I want to get mine fully playable before these fall into their forever homes and I am left with another multi year project looking for chips that aren’t moving anymore.
View attachment 1007968
When I look at these chips I ask myself... "do you really think you will still love these in 20 years?" My answer is a resounding YES!!

So for someone like me... I don't mind paying $30 a chip for secondary $1ks... because I simply don't think anything will ever beat them or be more beautiful! You only have so much time before the flippers move their stock and these chips fall into their forever homes! Do I think they are worth $30 a chip? NO but others do, so if I want them that bad... if they are forever chips sure I could sit back and say "I'm not paying more than $20 a chip!" Never add a single chip, next seller asks $40... someone pays it... I can still be the idiot saying "I'm not paying more than $20" but again they are falling into their forever homes... even if the market crashes and burns, I don't think anyone is going to come off of these for less than $30, so I pay these crazy prices NOT as an investment like so many others... but because I know they are my forever chips!

Let it crash and burn, let values drop to $1 a chip... I'm still buying! Lol
View attachment 1007979
Those that say "Indiana Grand suck!" Go on with your hate! This is freaking beautiful, and honestly I don't care others think...

LOVE YOUR CHIPS!! That is really all that matters, if your fear what is happening to the chip market and the values of your sets... do you really love them or are they simply an investment? My tourney set is going to cost about $15 - $16k total in the end. It is worth that to me to give me peace... this is as close as I will ever get to owning something "on par" with the BTP tournament sets, @Chippy McChiperson already owns a massive set of those in our local group and I get to play them a couple times a year. This is my "contribution" of quality chips to the already amazing chip collectors we have in our MD/PA/VA/DC area. We are trully blessed to have the opportunity to play with some of the greatest chips ever made on a regular basis in our immediate area!

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions...
View attachment 1007985
But it simply doesn't get better than that in my eyes! The "Monalisa" of modern poker chips! In person these will take your breath away!

Hear, hear!

The IG line-up just does it for me, despite being “only” RHC. My cash set is a keeper.

Your set is fantastic @Ben8257. And if it’s also keeper, then it doesn’t matter one bit what they’re “worth” as long as you’re happy with what you paid for it.

 

[Hornet]

I really can’t stand 43mm
I’ll never buy another
Overhyped

Dibs!

 

[upNdown]

One thing I don't understand, and hopefully someone can clarify, is I have read multiple warnings that flippers will be banned from future TCR sales. Is that not the case? Was it ever the case?

I can remember TCR posting that at some point. I’m not sure if it was an idle threat or if he realized that tracking that sort of thing is more trouble than it’s worth, or if he just changed his mind. But suffice it to say, it doesn’t seem to be the current policy.

 

[Marius L]

One thing I don't understand, and hopefully someone can clarify, is I have read multiple warnings that flippers will be banned from future TCR sales. Is that not the case? Was it ever the case?

Not sure this has ever really happened to anyone to be honest.

 

[glynn]

Great, so the net effect of the idle threat is that those who were willing to call the bluff are profiting massively, as flippers can better set their prices with their competition reduced and their control over the supply increased.

 

[Marius L]

Great, so the net effect of the idle threat is that those who were willing to call the bluff are profiting massively, as flippers can better set their prices with their numbers reduced.

Not sure that's the case. Honestly think the effect is that people try to be more careful if they wanna flip, just in case. Also, buyers set the price as much as sellers.

And lastly not sure there's a point doing this discussion yet again.

Thechiproom has his business. He makes a lot of money by moving say 200,000 chips in a matter of days. He intentionally leave a bit of wiggle room for resellers/everybody to make sure as many people as posible buys 1000-2000 chips so he can get them sold quickly. Been doing that for ever for big lots it seems like.

Before there were limitations pr denom he had issues with people buying ALL the in demand denominations and later reselling. That was a problem.

 

[glynn]

[misread]

 

[Schmendr1ck]

One thing I don't understand, and hopefully someone can clarify, is I have read multiple warnings that flippers will be banned from future TCR sales. Is that not the case? Was it ever the case?

Not sure where you got this, but I don't believe Jim has ever said anything like this, and I can't find such a post in his history.

EDIT: Wrong post quoted.

 

[RainmanTrail]

Not sure where you got this, but I don't believe Jim has ever said anything like this, and I can't find such a post in his history.

Yes, he very much said that. He's said it more than once in fact. He gets mad when he realizes he made a miscalculation and could have profited more than he did off of us. He's even threatened to take his business to eBay because of it (I guess he realized that would be a bad idea).

 

[Marius L]

Not sure where you got this, but I don't believe Jim has ever said anything like this, and I can't find such a post in his history.

I was also pretty sure he posted that in some of his big sales a couple years ago.

 

[Schmendr1ck]

Yes, he very much said that. He's said it more than once in fact. He gets mad when he realizes he made a miscalculation and could have profited more than he did off of us. He's even threatened to take his business to eBay because of it (I guess he realized that would be a bad idea).

Can you provide a link to the post(s)?

I searched the post history and only found info about setting percentage limits to combat the scooping up of single denominations. Maybe they are there and I just couldn't find them.

 

[glynn]

EDIT: Wrong post quoted.

Rob who you originally quoted said he remembers TCR saying it. I've only read it second-hand, but obviously it's prevalent. This is why I asked!

 

[Schmendr1ck]

Rob who you originally quoted said he remembers TCR saying it. I've only read it second-hand, but obviously it's prevalent. This is why I asked!

Sure, but a lot of people also remember the Berenstein Bears and Nelson Mandela dying in prison.

I was unable to find a post where Jim said anything like this. If he's said it multiple times, I'm hoping another member can find at least one post for me.

 

[upNdown]

Rob who you originally quoted said he remembers TCR saying it. I've only read it second-hand, but obviously it's prevalent. This is why I asked!

Yeah and I definitely do remember it. My thinking was that he made those statements sometime around the time he tried different selling strategies, with the Tonks and the Native Lights. So it may have been in sales prior to those, and those two sales are the oldest ones left on the forums (or at least on his vendor page.).
So I’d guess any threats of banning flippers are lost to history. But I would say I’m more that 75% sure that he actually made them.

 

[Thomacetti]

Before there were limitations pr denom he had issues with people buying ALL the in demand denominations and later reselling. That was a problem.

Silks rule…he bought up all the high denoms and flipped them to the other buyers.
When the community was smaller, we often had 2 or 3 sales for big scores and he still had left for Black Friday, Memorial Day, … offerings at insane prices (doorbusters).

Ordering was less strict too, you could order a few times and meet the % at the end…

I can easily say that Jim TCR and Dennis from Key West were the best vendors I dealt with in the last 15 years.
I still remember TCR first sale…good times

 

[Himewad]

Yeah and I definitely do remember it. My thinking was that he made those statements sometime around the time he tried different selling strategies, with the Tonks and the Native Lights. So it may have been in sales prior to those, and those two sales are the oldest ones left on the forums (or at least on his vendor page.).
So I’d guess any threats of banning flippers are lost to history. But I would say I’m more that 75% sure that he actually made them.

Well, if it WAS an actual statement made by TCR, it has never been enforced. Because the same people seem to be able to secure TCR chips early, hold them until the flipper stigma dies down, and then sell for big profits. Every single time.