I get that it is a common problem. But is it really comparable to Kem warping?
I’d take Kems every day and twice on Tuesday over Copags. Kems need some care but it easy. All that’s needed to keep them flat it to store them upside down with a cut card on top. An extra dealer button if you have one is extra insurance. I’m willing to take the simple step because the feeling of Kems are simply unmatched by any manufacturer.
I guess because Kems usually bow convex. Not sure but it seems to work. I imagine the cut card on top plays more of a role. Also you should keep any card made from cellulose acetate away from heat and high humidity. I’ve had cards made by other companies now as well.
I'll never understand preferring high maintenance and high rate of issues, but to each his own.
You consider putting a deck of cards away upside down with a cut card on top “high maintenance”?
I've never heard of a more consistent issue with any cards than Kems warping/bowing, even with minimal or even no use. It is evidently a very widespread issue, your good luck not withstanding. "High rate" obviously means among the public, not your personal anecdotal experience. These common issues are well documented.You consider putting a deck of cards away upside down with a cut card on top “high maintenance”?
It’s also not a “high rate” of issues. I have around seven setups of Kems that are perfectly flat. Since I learned this super simple storage trick I’ve had a 0% warping rate.
Look, usually don’t recommend Kems to people because they are too expensive and if left out of the box or used in high humidity they may bow. Also most casual players wouldn’t appreciate the feel of one card vs another.
If you are one of those types and/or you live in a place like Miami and play cards on your lenai …Kems are not for you. If you are an enthusiast who plays a lot of cards and appreciates the finer things…then try them.
There is a reason almost every casino in the US uses Kem cards. It’s what dealers like and what lasts for them.
There are numerous people on this forum that have had no issues when storing them as I mentioned.
Totally ineffective for KEM decks that arrive warped in the package. And many do.
I have KEM decks bowed in both directions, from the same 2-deck set-up.
Between the three players in my group that own KEMs, 8 out of 10 decks are warped -- and four of them arrived that way. I'd call that a high rate of issues.
Whatever floats your boat. But you keep talking about your experience in response to me talking about established widespread issues, a very basic fallacy. I'm glad you have had a good experience, but that is irrelevant; these issues are common.
I know. You have been saying this for years whenever the topic comes up. Why wouldn’t you return them if they arrived that way? I’ve never had a single deck of Kem arrive warped. Not one from 2003 until my last setup in 2019. I’ve posted pics here before of all my perfectly flat decks with the dated Aces
This is a straw man argument.
How is it a strawman? I bring up the commonly known issues they are known to have and you keep talking about your experience as a counterpoint. The fallacy is anecdotal, not strawman, and it's being presented by you. Maybe frame your arguments better, lol.
There isn’t an argument. I’m stating my experience. You are arguing points I never made. You also argue that the reason almost all casinos use Kem cards is because they dont care about wasting money….which makes no sense.
Shuffle a deck of copags. Then shuffle a deck of KEMs. If you still don’t understand, then you might have dumb fingers.
They sounded exciting until I got to the part about different finishes on face and back - that’s always a no-go for me. But I applaud bridge jumbos for ten bucks.
Yes, you did; you flat out denied that the issues are widespread when they are and then used anecdotal evidence as a counterpoint. Perhaps you just don't understand how you are wording things.
It's really negligible. Every card has a different finish to a degree on the backs and face, which is what makes them pitch and handle well. Did you like the feel of the King cards despite the warping from the buy a couple of years back? That's the closest I can describe the feel to, but these are more flexible than the Kings.
LOL. Explain.
I would assume copag won with the lowest bid. Do you think there are other reasons?
there’s just such a noticeable difference in feel. I can understand if you don’t personally like the feel of KEMs - it’s all subjective. But it’s tough to deny that they feel unique from all other plastic cards.
Yeah, that's the point I was making. And plenty of casinos use other brands, so using popularity as a counterpoint to established material quality issues seemed irrelevant.
The term “troll” is overused but I think this guy fits the bill. He is manufacturing things to argue about
Because it’s televised and Copag probably bid for the product placement. They are also cheaper and the WSOP is a once a year event.
This is correct. AFAIK, the card companies have paid for “right” to be the official card of the WSOP (at least back to the Rio days, maybe even Binion’s). They supply cards for the event, but then get all the cards back after the WSOP, and then as we know re-sell them. It’s advertising, plain and simple. Obviously, Copag stepped up to the plate, and offered the most to get their name out there.
I didn't manufacture anything. And conveniently in your last post addressed to me you ENTIRELY ignored what I pointed out.
Ugh….I could care less.
Well, you still worked hard to completely ignore the point so I guess we are done here. Seems you've officially put on the blinders.Ugh….I could care less.
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