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[Old State]

Well, you still worked hard to completely ignore the point so I guess we are done here. Seems you've officially put on the blinders.

Next time don't throw a fallacy meme out there if you can't handle being the one in the microscope and proven wrong.

Haha…I didn’t ignore anything except for the positions you made up that I’ve never taken. You are arguing with a straw man you created in your mind

 

[BGinGA]

actually, I wonder if some of that has something to do with where YOU live. Seems the general suspicion is that KEMs warping is somehow related to heat and or humidity.
I’ve been to GA. You guys have serious heat and humidity.
So maybe it’s not shocking that so many of your friends have received warped KEMs?

Possibly, although the only other decks I have that warped in twenty years are two older Gemaco Star decks stored in a hot car (but not the Gemaco Superflex acetate decks, or any of the other 30+ card set-ups I own).

Perhaps @Old State would be willing to ship his 12 pristine KEM decks (with his protective cut card & button in place) down to visit the Georgia weather (for science!).

I'll store 'em with my other cards for a spell (won't even open them) then ship 'em back to see if his solution works in Peach country.

 

[Old State]

Possibly, although the only other decks I have that warped in twenty years are two older Gemaco Star decks stored in a hot car (but not the Gemaco Superflex acetate decks, or any of the other 30+ card set-ups I own).

Perhaps @Old State would be willing to ship his 12 pristine KEM decks (with his protective cut card & button in place) down to visit the Georgia weather (for science!).

I'll store 'em with my other cards for a spell (won't even open them) then ship 'em back to see if his solution works in Peach country.

The science is settled for me. I’ve ran the experiment for 17 years.

I will say the first deck of Kems I ever had warped….after a night playing on a screened in porch at the NJ shore …in the summer 20 yards from the bay. I left them on the table in the box and when I got home they were very warped.

Another thing…do not EVER buy used Kems from casinos. They are getting rid of them for a reason

 

[Mojo1312]

I am rather surprised that DaVinci isn't receiving more love.

 

[RagahRagah]

Haha…I didn’t ignore anything except for the positions you made up that I’ve never taken. You are arguing with a straw man you created in your mind

Nope. You flat out denied they were widespread problems. So does that mean you are ready to correct yourself and admit they are?

 

[RagahRagah]

I am rather surprised that DaVinci aren't receiving more love.

I do personally really like them.

 

[Old State]

Nope. You flat out denied they were widespread problems. So does that mean you are ready to correct yourself and admit they are?

Please show us where I “flat out denied” anything. This is the definition of internet troll.

 

[RagahRagah]

You consider putting a deck of cards away upside down with a cut card on top “high maintenance”?

It’s also not a “high rate” of issues. I have around seven setups of Kems that are perfectly flat. Since I learned this super simple storage trick I’ve had a 0% warping rate.

Look, usually don’t recommend Kems to people because they are too expensive and if left out of the box or used in high humidity they may bow. Also most casual players wouldn’t appreciate the feel of one card vs another.

If you are one of those types and/or you live in a place like Miami and play cards on your lenai …Kems are not for you. If you are an enthusiast who plays a lot of cards and appreciates the finer things…then try them.

There is a reason most casinos in the US uses Kem cards. I say most because I haven’t play all over but Ive played in AC for over 20 years and a few times in Vegas and PA card rooms. I’ve never not seen Kems except in a couple tournaments when they used Gemaco….and I remember a dealer bitching about them once at Harrahs! . It’s what dealers like and what lasts for them.

There it is, sir. You denied the issue and immediately followed up with an anecdotal fallacy.

You're just flat embarrassing yourself.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

I am rather surprised that DaVinci isn't receiving more love.

What are the best DaVinci decks? Only ones Ive felt are trashy from Amazon, Im sure there's better

 

[upNdown]

What are the best DaVinci decks? Only ones Ive felt are trashy from Amazon, Im sure there's better

Weird that you say that because I’ve bought a couple of davinci setups from Amazon and they’ve been great.
But Davincis are modianos, 100%.
And that probably has something to do with why they’re ranked low - PCFers hold a well-earned grudge against Modiano.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Weird that you say that because I’ve bought a couple of davinci setups from Amazon and they’ve been great.
But Davincis are modianos, 100%.
And that probably has something to do with why they’re ranked low - PCFers hold a well-earned grudge against Modiano.

Then maybe Im wrong and theyre just in a different box? Havent studied them too closely. Received this setup in a DaVinci box, was told they were bought off Amazon and I dont like the feel/think they are ugly lol. Nothing objective.

Noted though, I'm going to make sure to get a new setup and try them someday, thanks.

 

[Colquhoun]

I love the feel of KEMs over any deck I’ve played. I only have 5 setups, 3 of them are purchased in the last year or so. No problems here, they’re all flat, stored with recommended methods.

One contributing factor to the “widespread” issue, is that dissatisfied people tend to be far more vocal than the folks that have great KEMs.
How much this affects the numbers, I’m not sure, but worth considering.

 

[TheBigTater]

Poll is incomplete that doesn't include Piatnik or Angel.

 

[RagahRagah]

I love the feel of KEMs over any deck I’ve played. I only have 5 setups, 3 of them are purchased in the last year or so. No problems here, they’re all flat, stored with recommended methods.

One contributing factor to the “widespread” issue, is that dissatisfied people tend to be far more vocal than the folks that have great KEMs.
How much this affects the numbers, I’m not sure, but worth considering.

Fair point but you can't just discount faulty material. A great product tends to be consist quality and overall reviews and customer scores reflect that. Remedies are irrelevant; if your item has a high chance of warping quickly or even arriving warped, it's going to equal a lot of unhappy customers, as it should. Making excuses for this is mind-boggling to me.

 

[JoeBGo]

Not listed, Angel Club Poker

 

[Colquhoun]

Making excuses for this is mind-boggling to me.

Im not making excuses. I have no problem with this product.
You do you.

 

[Old State]

There it is, sir. You denied the issue and immediately followed up with an anecdotal fallacy.

You're just flat embarrassing yourself.

Hahaha….that’s MY experience and from what others on this forum say. You made grand assumptions. And what data do you have anyway? I find it hard to believe that this company would be in business as long as they have and be supplying almost every casino in the US if this was as big an issue as you would like to claim.

My position on this topic is well documented on this forum for the past 7 years. I guess you missed all that.

BTW….Did you miss the point that I own so many cards because I was trying to find a Kem alternative that didn’t have bowing issues? I’ve never denied it happens! I own all those cards pictured above precisely because it does happen.

You should sound like an aspiring gotcha journalist on TV. You seem bizarrely obsessed with this too. It’s like you just want to argue for the sake of arguing

 

[Mojo1312]

Not listed, Angel Club Poker

Great cards!

 

[Old State]

Fair point but you can't just discount faulty material. A great product tends to be consist quality and overall reviews and customer scores reflect that. Remedies are irrelevant; if your item has a high chance of warping quickly or even arriving warped, it's going to equal a lot of unhappy customers, as it should. Making excuses for this is mind-boggling to me.

Your weird obsession with this is mind boggling. Are you going to argue with anyone who claims to like Kems cards?

 

[Mojo1312]

What are the best DaVinci decks? Only ones Ive felt are trashy from Amazon, Im sure there's better

Both Ruote and Persiano are good playing cards imo.

 

[Old State]

Not listed, Angel Club Poker

One of the few I have not been able to source.

 

[RagahRagah]

Hahaha….that’s MY experience. You made the assumption. And what data do you have? My position on this topic is well documented on this forum for the past 7 years. I guess you missed all that.

Did you miss the point that I own so many cards because I was trying to find a Kem alternative that didn’t have bowing issues?

You should sound like an aspiring gotcha journalist on TV. You seem bizarrely obsessed with this too. It’s like you just want to argue for the sake of arguing.

How is it me making an assumption when you flat out said it? We seem to be having a problem with English and comprehension here, you don't have any idea how you are wording your posts.

It doesn't matter if you "own so many." It's still just you and it's still anecdotal. Sure, there are plenty of people who have no issues. But there are also a LOT who do. This is not indicative of a standard top echelon product, those types of things don't have issues this consistent.

And your claims of "obsession" is merely your hubris and it is typical of many people; you have no problem arguing when you think you are right but when it is made clear you aren't, suddenly the argument is "petty" or "obsessive" because I won't back off, so you start to get defensive, play victim and condescend with silly memes, rather than just admit your mistake or clarify yourself. You persistently claim you didn't say something I flat out showed the quote of you saying. The Trump syndrome in full effect.

Your position as stated was incorrect and fallacious; it's just that simple.

 

[Colquhoun]

One of the few I have not been able to source.

The Angel Club Poker setup I have is thin and flexy, not quite as thin as KEMs. The problem I have with them is that it's much more difficult to square them up. They're not sticky, but when squaring them between riffles, they are much harder to push together than most brands I've tried. Maybe they need to break in a bit more.

 

[dpeks13]

Damn, talk about a runaway victory on here

 

[Old State]

How is it me making an assumption when you flat out said it? We seem to be having a problem with English and comprehension here, you don't have any idea how you are wording your posts.

It doesn't matter if you "own so many." It's still just you and it's still anecdotal. Sure, there are plenty of people who have no issues. But there are also a LOT who do. This is not indicative of a standard top echelon product, those types of things don't have issues this consistent.

And your claims of "obsession" is merely your hubris and it is typical of many people; you have no problem arguing when you think you are right but when it is made clear you aren't, suddenly the argument is "petty" or "obsessive" because I won't back off, so you start to get defensive, play victim and condescend with silly memes, rather than just admit your mistake or clarify yourself. You persistently claim you didn't say something I flat out showed the quote of you saying. The Trump syndrome in full effect.

Your position as stated was incorrect and fallacious; it's just that simple.

Ooookay…that just about explains everything

 

[Old State]

Damn, talk about a runaway victory on here

I think part of the issue with the poll is that some of these manufactures are making the same cards and some are just less common. I have DaVinci and Modiano cards that are exactly the same. My Guilds game in a Modiano case…and seem to be identical to the DaVinci/Modiano.

Fournier gets a ton of hype here but Prestege cards are made by them and I’m assuming many who know this may be answering under Fournier

Having samples of all of these I think many people should try Cartamundi CCP as they are very high quality and can be found cheap. It they have been my #1 best bang for the buck card recommendation for years. They don’t print jumbo index for bridge but you can get their Ace cards in poker size jumbo if that’s what you like.

Im my experience the feel of 75% of the manufacturers is almost the same…very little difference. The standouts are Faded Spade (extremely stiff) at one end and Kem (soft and buttery) at the other.

Fournier seems to have found the best PVC card stock but most PVC feel more similar to each other than different. Gemaco and Cartamundi feel a little more premium but are on the stiffer side of Fournier which to me is about in the middle.

Desjgn has had several cards stocks but I’ve enjoyed all of his picks more or less. They are just over the top gorgeous.

 

[springbox]

I want to like KEMs, they feel great while shuffling. But after just one night of play I've noticed the deck is warping, and I can consistently pick out the Ten of Diamonds looking at the side of the deck because it's more bent. Very annoying considering the cost of the setup.

I would say Aristo Angels are my favorite among ones I've tried.

 

[davefr]

So the final results are in. Copag #2 and being ahead of Desjgn is a total shock IMHO. (I attribute it to marketing vs quality). Given the forums love affair with Desjgn (me included), I thought they would have been #1. I've gotten quite fond of Fournier but surprised they made it to #1 by such a large margin. They aren't even a card that's easy to buy or well marketed IMHO. I'm not too surprised with KEM at #4. Either you love them or hate them.

Still searching for the perfect cards and old obsolete "thinner" Desjgns were almost perfection. (especially if they were bridge size)

 

[Old State]

I want to like KEMs, they feel great while shuffling. But after just one night of play I've noticed the deck is warping, and I can consistently pick out the Ten of Diamonds looking at the side of the deck because it's more bent. Very annoying considering the cost of the setup.

I would say Aristo Angels are my favorite among ones I've tried.

One night of play you feel the deck warping???? You have said this several times. Having played with Kems and every other plastic card made for the last 21 years I find this HIGHLY a suspect. Something else happened or you are fibbing a little.

 

[allforcharity]

Just saying, Angel *might* have been number one if that was an option in the poll. I guess we'll never know....